Yes didn't he marry an EU Politician? maybe Kinnock passed on his tricks to the Smiling Knife TB on how to make a fortune out of being crap, make now wonder Labour don't want UK to leave the EU, they may have to work for a living if that happened. You may have guessed I am no lover of Labour mind the way this lot we have now are going who knows?

Blimey - almost as though they are cutting off their nose to spite their face! But I suppose they can't lose - their remaining flights to Spain will be fully booked (and Ryanair will be able to charge more per seat) and no doubt the new flights to unknown destinations in Sweden or Bulgaria will draw the Ryanair lovers too.

In our opinion, the problems usually stem from O'whatsit.... my OH was happily using two EasyJet locations/flights on a regular basis; RYR come along and plonk flights at within minutes of the exact same departure time. Obviously EZY then struggle and the consumer misses out on a RANGE of departure times.
Not to mention all the other stuff (claims of low fuel to speed up landing permissions, tweaking flight times to make extravagant 'early' or 'on time' claims complete with fanfare.......) omg I hate that chap and his attitude to his customers. Inevitably and hypocritically there are times (this coming Tues being one) when I have NO alternative but to use RYR but I try not to!

All airlines are a business, and if they are not making money, they go under, it's that simple. Plenty have already fallen by the wayside. I remember reading in a forum of a woman slagging off one of the low cost airlines when it stopped flying into Granada, didn't they know she had bought rental properties there on the strength of them flying into Granada!!!! Now her customers would have to fly into Málaga and travel a couple of hours to get to her, or worse they wouldn't book with her. Airlines are not a charity, if a route is not profitable, they pull out, anyone that sets up a business based on a low cost airline bringing in their customers is a tad naive.

but that is right, Ryanair did enter Granada and had a row over how much they should be paid to stay there. The local town hall said too many people were just using the airport as a staging point and not stopping in the city, therefore they were subsidising other towns.
weird way of looking at things ?? perhaps not, as it is true, especially as many from the Granada coastal strip found it quicker than flying into Malaga.
But Granada was profitable for Ryanair, all planes were full, no spare seats when I travelled, and more than one international company made expensive commitments based on that.

That is exactly what they did in France and IIRC Italy, leaving many businesses and business people stuck.

I hope the Southend venture works out for Easyjet, although at the moment they only have one flight in/out for Malaga. I will also be good news for Eddie Stobart.

It's funny, Ryan air try every trick in the book to extract our cash, they aren't so keen on parting with it though.

Let's hope Monarch, Jet2 or Easy Jet benefit from any pull out and get stronger and offer even cheaper flights.

Business is business.
The better deal O Leary gets from his suppliers the more benefits that can be passed on to the punters.
Ryanair aren't in business simply to subsidise inefficient Spanish airports or any others come to that.
I also admire their stand against the compulsory use of mobile loading corridors which not only add unnecessarily to running costs but also waste valuable time for all concerned.
Their invoicing system leaves room for improvement but hopefully positive steps are afoot in this direction.

So I want to go to Spain on holiday, but, Mr. O´Leary is saying no I want you to go to Poland or Scandinavia. So Mr O´Leary I will fly with another airline because I don´t want to go to Poland or Scandinavia. Exactly the same reason I now fly with Flybe because Mr. O´Leary took away the service from Seville to Bristol.

Well I guess the mobile loading corridors must add cost but whether that is unnecessary cost will certainly be a matter of opinion. Where I can't agree with you is when you say they waste valuable time. I fly from Spain to Athens or Manchester most weeks and I invariably find I can get into the terminal faster when the mobile corridor is deployed. Steps and buses or even steps alone always take longer.

How many of us who have holiday homes in Spain would not have bought if there were no low cost carriers?

I used to avoid Ryanair if I could but they are my only sensible option as I use Stansted.
I am beginning to change my opinion of it. They do what it is says on the tin, are inexpensive if purchased at the right time (not necessarily early) and you only have hand baggage. I have also yet to be delayed.
I can now reserve a seat as well, so apart from the early boarding call I really do not have much to complain about.

Following my last post I have just discovered that Ryanair have taken some money direct from my Ryanair cash passport account for some Spanish tax changes. Not a lot, between £2-3 per booking. I was not advised and found out by chance. What would have happened if my balance was £0?

I would have thought that was illegal without your permission.
How can they just take your money without notifying you first?

It's legal in Spain if you've given them direct debit or have a prepay account. The electricity & gas companies do it, the telephone and mobile companies do it.

For example, Endesa routinely "estimates" your bill (sometimes up to 10x your actual consumption) and simply takes it from your account. You get the factura afterward. Telefonica bills for actual consumption, but can charge for extras such as service visits and others anytime they see fit. No need to inform you.

The mobile companies are the same. If they decide to bill for something, they just take it. They can notify you later.

Welcome to Spain. Avoid direct debit. It's just a licence to take whatever they want.

Mine was taken in the Uk. It's only for small amounts for 4 different bookings but usually when the booking changes Ryanair e-mail you revised details. I only found when I checked my cash passport balance.
I suspect there will lots of people wondering what these small debits are when they receive their next bank/credit card statements.

I got an email 2 weeks beforehand to the email address I used at time of booking. It said that they would be passing on the spanish governments increased airport taxes and that I could cancel my flights if I wished.

As I didn't cancel the flights the extra cash was taken from the credit card I used to book and I received another email a couple of days after that confirming the amounts.