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Old Jun 17th 2010 | 7:47 am
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
The phrase in the policy quote

" To maintain the vehicle in a legal and roadworthy condition "

Later in the policy quote

" You or any permitted driver are required to maintain the insured vehicle in a legal and roadworthy condition "
Legal is also the phrase. If you do not have an MOT it is not legal.
 
Old Jun 17th 2010 | 7:48 am
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Thanks all for your thoughts, I think the ferry to Northern Spain sounds the best option, then itv it there.
 
Old Jun 17th 2010 | 8:11 am
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Originally Posted by Chiclanagir
Legal is also the phrase. If you do not have an MOT it is not legal.
Not necessarily - it depends on the wording in your actual policy as I said earlier.

With Linea Directa it is perfectly OK to drive without an ITV.
 
Old Jun 17th 2010 | 9:30 am
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Do you want to keep the car or would you consider selling it? Would you consider allowing somebody else (moi) to drive the car to Spain for you? What's in it for me you ask? I have personal belongings in the UK that I want to bring to Spain.

Have a think about it & drop me a pm if you're interested.

One more thing, if you've ever driven past traffic OB in the UK, then your number plate will have been read by the ANP camera & stored onto the system. After 6 months in the UK your car will flag up if you haven't paid UK road tax. Regardless of whether the car is taxed in Spain or not it will be towed away.
 
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Originally Posted by Chiclanagir
Legal is also the phrase. If you do not have an MOT it is not legal.
Originally Posted by Fred James
Not necessarily - it depends on the wording in your actual policy as I said earlier.

With Linea Directa it is perfectly OK to drive without an ITV.

Just because Linea Directa say you can drive without an ITV does not alter the fact that the vehicle is illegal on the road.
 
Old Jun 17th 2010 | 6:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Just because Linea Directa say you can drive without an ITV does not alter the fact that the vehicle is illegal on the road.
It is legal to drive in Spain without an ITV if you are driving to a test centre having made an appointment - which is what I suggested to the OP in the second post in this thread.
 
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It is legal to drive in Spain without an ITV if you are driving to a test centre having made an appointment - which is what I suggested to the OP in the second post in this thread.
Exactly the same as the UK then, not having an MOT does not automatically mean no insurance. Which is what you and I have been trying to point out all along.
 
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One more thing, if you've ever driven past traffic OB in the UK, then your number plate will have been read by the ANP camera & stored onto the system. After 6 months in the UK your car will flag up if you haven't paid UK road tax. Regardless of whether the car is taxed in Spain or not it will be towed away.
You are overestimating the power of ANPR, and the powers the police have, your pararaph above is factually incorrect.
ANPR will only read the number plate and check it against the DVLC, MIB and MOT databases and the police database to see if is linked to crime, it does not "flag up" any previous checks on that vehicle. To ascetain te previous checks a verbal/written request has to be made.
The UK police do not have the power to seize an untaxed vehicle, only DVLC enforcement officers do. However DVLC officers do not have the power to stop you so they can only seize your vehicle when it is already stopped.
 
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The UK police do not have the power to seize an untaxed vehicle, only DVLC enforcement officers do
Interesting, if that is correct then we've just uncovered yet more corruption by British OB. They recently went around Yorkshire seizing Polish cars that had been in the UK for more than 6 months.

A guy I used to work with had his car towed away in these circumstances so I'll get him to make a formal complaint & I'll let you know the outcome.
 
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Originally Posted by licinius
Interesting, if that is correct then we've just uncovered yet more corruption by British OB. They recently went around Yorkshire seizing Polish cars that had been in the UK for more than 6 months.

A guy I used to work with had his car towed away in these circumstances so I'll get him to make a formal complaint & I'll let you know the outcome.
If they were acting lawfully they would have been operating jointly with the DVLC and Customs & Excise, and the seizure would have been for not registering the cars in the UK as they had been there over 6 months.
If you look at the law that requires you to buy a VEL (tax disc) in the UK, the way it is worded makes it only to vehicles that are registered in the UK.
If it was the police who seized your mate's car and not the DVLA/C&E, they are lawfully obliged to give him a form saying under what legislation it was seized.
Any chance you can ask him if he was given any paperwork, and if so what does it say? I had dealings a couple of years ago with a different force that were seizing Polish cars without legal justification, it wasn't corruption as such, they were just being overzealous without having a full understanding/grasp of the relevant legisltion.
 
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Originally Posted by Bomber Harris
I had dealings a couple of years ago with a different force that were seizing Polish cars without legal justification, it wasn't corruption as such, they were just being overzealous without having a full understanding/grasp of the relevant legisltion
Just typical UK plod then who wonder why they are hated so much
 
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At least they apologised and returned the seizure/storage costs, try getting that from the foreign plod.
 
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At least they apologised and returned the seizure/storage costs, try getting that from the foreign plod.
But that's the difference isn't it, in Spain you only have to worry about the police if you are doing something wrong, in Britain no one is safe from them
 
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http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...Mot/DG_4022108

Why you need an MOT certificate

It is generally an offence to use on a public road, a vehicle of testable age that doesn’t have a current test certificate, except when:

* taking it to a test station for an MOT test booked in advance
* bringing it away from a test station after it has failed the MOT test, to a place of repair
* taking it to a place, by previous arrangement, where problems that caused the vehicle to fail its MOT test, can be repaired
* bringing it away from a place where the problems with the vehicle have been repaired

Even in the above circumstances you may still be prosecuted for driving an unroadworthy vehicle if it doesn’t comply with various regulations affecting its construction and use. Your car insurance may also be invalid.
 
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Originally Posted by licinius
But that's the difference isn't it, in Spain you only have to worry about the police if you are doing something wrong, in Britain no one is safe from them
Really?? There has been many reports in the papers over the years of UK truck drivers that have been incarcerated in France and Spain over the years & subsequently been found innocent in Court.
In my dealings with the police over the years, both in the UK and Europe, I have only found one common fact, be polite and they will treat you fairly.
I was a passenger in a friends car once when he got stopped for speeding. Despite him admitting the offence and pleading guilty, he is now anti-police like yourself. His excuse is because he got fined & points on his licence, and will not accept that it was his own fault.
I see from your other posts that you are vehemently anti-police, so much so that you feel it necessary to get involved in a thread running in another area of this forum for police officers in Canada to advertise your hatred of them, why?
No police force is 100% perfect, they are just human beings with all the frailties that involves, we're a good few years away from being policed by robots, get over it.
 


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