Returning with car
Jun 17th 2010, 3:13 pm
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Returning with car
I left Spain begining of last year and returned to the UK with my Spanish car, the tax and ITV have both expired but want to drive it back to Spain. Any ideas what to do apart from running the gauntlet down the east coast one night.
Jun 17th 2010, 3:43 pm
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Re: Returning with car
Spanish road tax, unlike the UK, is a municipal tax so the Guardia are not really interested in whether it has been paid.
As for the ITV, if you book an appointment to have it done, www.itvcita.es , and print out the appointment details I doubt that you would have a problem if stopped.
As for the ITV, if you book an appointment to have it done, www.itvcita.es , and print out the appointment details I doubt that you would have a problem if stopped.
Jun 17th 2010, 3:44 pm
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Yes a really good idea,! no different than driving while drunk!
you have a car that should not be on the road, ie- no Insurance etc-
Hope you don't knock anyone down, I bet prison food is great.
you have a car that should not be on the road, ie- no Insurance etc-
Hope you don't knock anyone down, I bet prison food is great.
Jun 17th 2010, 3:47 pm
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No ITV /Mot no insurance.
Jun 17th 2010, 3:54 pm
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Have kept the insurance going on the car so still insured for another 3 months, thanks Fred will try your idea
Jun 17th 2010, 3:57 pm
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"No ITV /Mot no insurance."
Why do you assume that is the case?
I am insured with Linea Directa and I asked them that specific question. Their reply was that a valid ITV is NOT a condition of the insurance policy.
I suggest you check the small print on your policy and see where the need for an ITV is mentioned.
An ITV only proves that the vehicle was roadworthy for the few minutes that it was tested - the brakes could fail 5 minutes later.
Why do you assume that is the case?
I am insured with Linea Directa and I asked them that specific question. Their reply was that a valid ITV is NOT a condition of the insurance policy.
I suggest you check the small print on your policy and see where the need for an ITV is mentioned.
An ITV only proves that the vehicle was roadworthy for the few minutes that it was tested - the brakes could fail 5 minutes later.
Jun 17th 2010, 4:03 pm
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Whilst I cannot speak regarding France or Spain regarding insurance I have to wonder where the urban myth began in the UK that not having an MOT on your car invalidates the insurance, it doesnt!
All UK insurance companies have a standard clause that your car must be maintained in a roadworthy condition, if it isn't & they can substantiate that fact, they will not pay for the damage to your car. They still have to pay for the damage/injury that has been caused to the third party. The MIB (Motor Insurers Bureau have lost this argument in the UK Appeal Courts when their members tried to avoid paying out to the third party. Just because a car doesn't have a current MOT does not mean it is not roadworthy, just the same as a car that does have an MOT can be unroadworthy (i.e. a bald tyre).
Notwithstanding that, I personally would not take the chance of driving a vehicle without current valid documentation as I'm too tight to pay the fine if stopped.
All UK insurance companies have a standard clause that your car must be maintained in a roadworthy condition, if it isn't & they can substantiate that fact, they will not pay for the damage to your car. They still have to pay for the damage/injury that has been caused to the third party. The MIB (Motor Insurers Bureau have lost this argument in the UK Appeal Courts when their members tried to avoid paying out to the third party. Just because a car doesn't have a current MOT does not mean it is not roadworthy, just the same as a car that does have an MOT can be unroadworthy (i.e. a bald tyre).
Notwithstanding that, I personally would not take the chance of driving a vehicle without current valid documentation as I'm too tight to pay the fine if stopped.
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Jun 17th 2010, 4:10 pm
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Just checked the wife's motorbike policy.
Requirement to keep the vehicle in a legal roadworthy condition
No Mot not legal.
How do you prove you have been keeping the vehicle in a roadworthy condition without an MOT, agreed it only proves that it was OK at the time, but it also proves that you have been making the effort.
Requirement to keep the vehicle in a legal roadworthy condition
No Mot not legal.
How do you prove you have been keeping the vehicle in a roadworthy condition without an MOT, agreed it only proves that it was OK at the time, but it also proves that you have been making the effort.
Jun 17th 2010, 4:16 pm
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Dave, all I was asking was any ideas on what to do apart from driving down the east coast one night, but thanks for your valid input.
Jun 17th 2010, 4:20 pm
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Don't write as if your quoting from the policy, it is misleading. That phrase is not in any UK motor policy, only the bit about keeping it roadworthy is.
The abscence of a current MOT will just send the insurers round to examine the vehicle to see if they can find a fault with it.
The abscence of a current MOT will just send the insurers round to examine the vehicle to see if they can find a fault with it.
Jun 17th 2010, 4:27 pm
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The phrase in the policy quote
" To maintain the vehicle in a legal and roadworthy condition "
Later in the policy quote
" You or any permitted driver are required to maintain the insured vehicle in a legal and roadworthy condition "
" To maintain the vehicle in a legal and roadworthy condition "
Later in the policy quote
" You or any permitted driver are required to maintain the insured vehicle in a legal and roadworthy condition "
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Jun 17th 2010, 4:33 pm
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The same phrase I have used throughout, you chose to add immediately afterwards in your first posting "no MOT not legal", which could be misconstrued as still qoting from the policy as you chose not to use quotation marks in that first post.
Jun 17th 2010, 4:57 pm
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make a appointment for a IVA test on your arrival in Spain.
Take the test, and if all is well, then you will be fully insured. to carry on your journey.
Jun 17th 2010, 5:48 pm
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I wouldn't drive through France, you wouldn't want to get a French bobby on a bad day!
I'd get the ferry straight to the North of Spain and book it in an ITV center near the ferry terminal......
As for the tax, do you have someone looking after your Spanish post? As by now you would have been sent the payment slip through the post, ask a friend to pay it for you and transfer them the money?
I'd get the ferry straight to the North of Spain and book it in an ITV center near the ferry terminal......
As for the tax, do you have someone looking after your Spanish post? As by now you would have been sent the payment slip through the post, ask a friend to pay it for you and transfer them the money?