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valenciatim Jul 3rd 2009 8:46 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by v3e (Post 7721424)
Knowing Spainish isn't highly needed when the majority of business is going to be with english customers, but where it is needed, a friends with good Spainish would be a help. Gaining opinions and information is not wasting time. The majority of my research is not infact within the area, but here in the UK, finding suppliers. It is clear there will be demand for goods throughout Spain, however the goods may differ. Once i have found good methods of supply and import, i would then look into sales areas in more depth. I am mainly checking that people would actually want the goods, and if i'd be able to compete with the current competition in Spain

This is going to sound arrogant, but it is not meant to!!!
You make it sound as if no one has thought of doing this before, with your talk of finding suppliers and transport and not needing to speak Spanish.
If you are to operate a business here, aimed at any nationality, how will you deal with officialdom? The Town Hall? The rental agents? the Tax office?
There are companies here that do nothing else but transport British Goods around Spain, distributing to all the Brit shops. There are companies that supply all of the Brit shops from the UK. It's all been done before! People are cutting their margins to the bone in order to survive.
Believe me when I say that supply, import and distribution are the least of your worries, that's the easy bit. Finding an UNTAPPED market is going to be far more important.

v3e Jul 3rd 2009 8:56 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by valenciatim (Post 7721451)
This is going to sound arrogant, but it is not meant to!!!
You make it sound as if no one has thought of doing this before, with your talk of finding suppliers and transport and not needing to speak Spanish.
If you are to operate a business here, aimed at any nationality, how will you deal with officialdom? The Town Hall? The rental agents? the Tax office?
There are companies here that do nothing else but transport British Goods around Spain, distributing to all the Brit shops. There are companies that supply all of the Brit shops from the UK. It's all been done before! People are cutting their margins to the bone in order to survive.
Believe me when I say that supply, import and distribution are the least of your worries, that's the easy bit. Finding an UNTAPPED market is going to be far more important.

I agree, it has all been done before, however, to be fair, the prices being charged are insane, i've ran the numbers, and am sure that i can supply for a lot lower cost, on a small scale. However, as you say, there are things i have not looked into. Just to verify, i am studying for a degree in Business Information Systems, so i know exactly what is required when debating a business idea, in theory. Also, i have plenty of time to research every little thing in the year it will take for me to finish my degree, i am even considering basing my final year project around the costs involved, the markets, and how Information Systems may aid in creating a profitable Spainish import/export business.

No offence, but i didn't say i was going to go and open a business tomorrow, i'm not, i was just interested in peoples views on the prices. Not there views on my capabilities.. All business ventures start somewhere. The first step for me is a feasibility study, checking is the idea is pratical. It appears it is. Finding a market is exactly what i am doing now, reviewing the products, the demand for products and the competition. I am not just jumping into this idea, it may be i find the idea is absurd, which is what i thought at first - how could i possibly gain lower prices than what already exists, however it appears that it is possible, i will throughly look into every aspect, and right now, the best thing i can do is get peoples opinions of products etc.

whitelinen Jul 3rd 2009 9:51 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by v3e (Post 7721424)
Knowing Spainish isn't highly needed when the majority of business is going to be with english customers, but where it is needed, a friends with good Spainish would be a help. Gaining opinions and information is not wasting time. The majority of my research is not infact within the area, but here in the UK, finding suppliers. It is clear there will be demand for goods throughout Spain, however the goods may differ. Once i have found good methods of supply and import, i would then look into sales areas in more depth. I am mainly checking that people would actually want the goods, and if i'd be able to compete with the current competition in Spain

You can get anything you want in Spain from a live Tiger to a jar of Marmite therefore I doubt anyone who has no business acumen or experience whatsoever other than words from a book can come up with something anyone is desperate for.

Every time you write Spainish instead of Spanish I think its all a wind up.

v3e Jul 3rd 2009 9:58 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by whitelinen (Post 7721599)
You can get anything you want in Spain from a live Tiger to a jar of Marmite therefore I doubt anyone who has no business acumen or experience whatsoever other than words from a book can come up with something anyone is desperate for.

Every time you write Spainish instead of Spanish I think its all a wind up.

Well thats your view, my main purpose of looking into this is to gain experiance, obviously you can't understand that something has to start somewhere, and so do careers. I am not thinking up productsd people are desprete for, i am looking for markets which are over priced, and seeing if i can do anything about it, which is for the good of the country.

I'd prefer negativity to not be given unless theres an actual flaw other than the fact i spelt Spanish wrong.

jdr Jul 3rd 2009 10:06 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by v3e (Post 7721424)
Knowing Spainish isn't highly needed when the majority of business is going to be with english customers, but where it is needed, a friends with good Spainish would be a help. Gaining opinions and information is not wasting time. The majority of my research is not infact within the area, but here in the UK, finding suppliers. It is clear there will be demand for goods throughout Spain, however the goods may differ. Once i have found good methods of supply and import, i would then look into sales areas in more depth. I am mainly checking that people would actually want the goods, and if i'd be able to compete with the current competition in Spain

It`s easy really.
The stuff is already here.
Probably at cheaper prices than you can achieve and dropping in price all the time because it is hard to sell.
You will def need Spanish to talk to the council officials and the police when they ask for your paperwork and receipts for the stuff you are selling, if they don`t understand you they will confiscate it till you show them what they need.

v3e Jul 3rd 2009 10:12 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7721644)
It`s easy really.
The stuff is already here.
Probably at cheaper prices than you can achieve and dropping in price all the time because it is hard to sell.
You will def need Spanish to talk to the council officials and the police when they ask for your paperwork and receipts for the stuff you are selling, if they don`t understand you they will confiscate it till you show them what they need.

A member has gave me some ideas to look at, goods which are not so common in Spain, that may have good demand. I feel i need to actually find some suppliers in Spain to see what prices they sell at wholesale, but i am confident that i can beat the prices of some of the goods - whatever wholesale price i can get in the UK, with an average of 0.01 euros or less shipping per item. Although, i have not fully considered the effects of VAT when importing/exporting. Obviously products supplied by large chains such as Iceland etc, are most likely not going to be able to be beat, purely because of there buying power. I understand that Spanish will be needed in such situations, and will consider learning Spanish over time, as it is a good skill to have anyway.

jdr Jul 3rd 2009 10:21 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by v3e (Post 7721661)
A member has gave me some ideas to look at, goods which are not so common in Spain, that may have good demand. I feel i need to actually find some suppliers in Spain to see what prices they sell at wholesale, but i am confident that i can beat the prices of some of the goods - whatever wholesale price i can get in the UK, with an average of 0.01 euros or less shipping per item. Although, i have not fully considered the effects of VAT when importing/exporting. Obviously products supplied by large chains such as Iceland etc, are most likely not going to be able to be beat, purely because of there buying power. I understand that Spanish will be needed in such situations, and will consider learning Spanish over time, as it is a good skill to have anyway.

Being a businessman you must realize it is supply and demand, if the products are not so common in Spain, then there is no demand for them.

This is beginning to get like the people that wanted to buy a bar and everyone told them to think again, but they bought it and went home 3 months later over 60,000 quid lighter than they arrived.

whitelinen Jul 3rd 2009 10:27 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7721687)

Being a businessman you must realize it is supply and demand, if the products are not so common in Spain, then there is no demand for them.

This is beginning to get like the people that wanted to buy a bar and everyone told them to think again, but they bought it and went home 3 months later over 60,000 quid lighter than they arrived.


He or she is a student and style and type of posts bear a remarkable similarity to that person wanting a bar:rofl::rofl::rofl:

v3e Jul 3rd 2009 10:28 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7721687)
Being a businessman you must realize it is supply and demand, if the products are not so common in Spain, then there is no demand for them.

This is beginning to get like the people that wanted to buy a bar and everyone told them to think again, but they bought it and went home 3 months later over 60,000 quid lighter than they arrived.

Indeed, it is supply and demand. The absense of a product does not necessarily mean that there is no demand. However, the reason for me posting is to sample demand. On a side note, there are profitable bar throughout Spain, the obvious thing triggering failure is originality, costs, prices, many other factors, and common business sense, you see bars which could easily be improved to look more inviting in a matter of days. The main point here is, make sure you know exactly what you are getting yourself into, and looking into an idea has no harm

valenciatim Jul 3rd 2009 10:32 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 
Here is something for you to work with!!!!!
http://www.nisa-international.com/

Mitzyboy Jul 3rd 2009 10:33 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by v3e (Post 7721424)
Knowing Spainish isn't highly needed when the majority of business is going to be with english customers, . I am mainly checking that people would actually want the goods, and if i'd be able to compete with the current competition in Spain

Oh yes it is, if you are in business in Spain. Its difficult enough getting by as an individual, let alone a businessman.
My answer to you personally, and knowing a lot of people over here, is no we won't want the goods.
No you probably wont be able to compete, when you take into consideration taxes, etc. You know if you are an autonomo over here you will pay a minimum of €238 ish per month NI?


Originally Posted by v3e (Post 7721481)
I agree, it has all been done before, however, to be fair, the prices being charged are insane, i've ran the numbers how could i possibly gain lower prices than what already exists, however it appears that it is possible, i will throughly look into every aspect, and right now, the best thing i can do is get peoples opinions of products etc.

You ran the numbers? I thought you were asking us to provide you with prices so you could research?

I wish you luck, but you dont seem to be taking much notice of what we are saying.
You cant sell on the markets
You will have to re label everything you sell
You have mega competition
There are Spanish equivalents of most UK products, cheaper
You will presumably need premises to store
Tax
Rates
And the freight ... well .. I hope you did your homework :D

Good luck!

jdr Jul 3rd 2009 10:35 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by v3e (Post 7721705)
Indeed, it is supply and demand. The absense of a product does not necessarily mean that there is no demand. However, the reason for me posting is to sample demand. On a side note, there are profitable bar throughout Spain, the obvious thing triggering failure is originality, costs, prices, many other factors, and common business sense, you see bars which could easily be improved to look more inviting in a matter of days. The main point here is, make sure you know exactly what you are getting yourself into, and looking into an idea has no harm

But it is no good looking at possibly out of date figures from afar and asking questions, you need to visit and enquire about getting the licences, you even need one to fart in Spain.
Once you get a taste of the red tape you will change your mind on a business here.

v3e Jul 3rd 2009 10:36 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by valenciatim (Post 7721716)
Here is something for you to work with!!!!!
http://www.nisa-international.com/

Although it may be a start, i'm sure there will be much cheaper and more efficent retailers. Thanks for the link

v3e Jul 3rd 2009 10:40 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 7721721)
Oh yes it is, if you are in business in Spain. Its difficult enough getting by as an individual, let alone a businessman.
My answer to you personally, and knowing a lot of people over here, is no we won't want the goods.
No you probably wont be able to compete, when you take into consideration taxes, etc. You know if you are an autonomo over here you will pay a minimum of €238 ish per month NI?



You ran the numbers? I thought you were asking us to provide you with prices so you could research?

I wish you luck, but you dont seem to be taking much notice of what we are saying.
You cant sell on the markets
You will have to re label everything you sell
You have mega competition
There are Spanish equivalents of most UK products, cheaper
You will presumably need premises to store
Tax
Rates
And the freight ... well .. I hope you did your homework :D

Good luck!

I have a basic gist of the numbers for a few products, granted, this does not include taxes and premises, however, to begin with premises may not be an issue. And much of the other stuff, may not be a huge issue, excluding competition (what i was trying to find out from posting here)


Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7721725)
But it is no good looking at possibly out of date figures from afar and asking questions, you need to visit and enquire about getting the licences, you even need one to fart in Spain.
Once you get a taste of the red tape you will change your mind on a business here.

Again, this isn't something i have looked into in serious depth, as like i say, i was only getting a general idea of the prices. It may be the case that the business would completely unprofitable, but there is no harm is seeing.. i could be losing out on a great opportunity

For the record, I am only looking at the idea, not opening a business tomorrow. And taking a strangers word for "it will not work" will not get me anywhere in life.

Mitzyboy Jul 3rd 2009 10:42 am

Re: Prices of British goods
 

Originally Posted by v3e (Post 7721739)
I have a basic gist of the numbers for a few products, granted, this does not include taxes and premises, however, to begin with premises may not be an issue

And your freight prices?
You'll be aware of course that groupage in late July and August is nigh on impossible?


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