Mitzyboy

No. Both boxes on multiroom have to be plugged into a UK phone line. So that you cant do exactly what you are thinking of doing

The Guy

you will be able to use it...for a while...then sky will send you letters asking for your card and box to be connected to the uk phone line so it can call the sky system and ensure the discounted second card is at the corrcet address.

after a few missed callbacks to sky they will start to charge full price for the second card...backdated to the last time it called back (ouch on the bank account!) ...and may even be in contact (phonecalls and letters etc) with your UK address to try to arrange for a sky engineer around to see what the fault is with, what is in effect "their" sky box and determine the reason why it is not calling sky back on the correct telephone number.

it may be best to transfer your sky card account to your mums address and "invent" a granny / student flat - at 123a oak avenue...with your mums address being 123 oak avenue

Tele Addict

Five is already on a horizontal FTA transponder, so I can't see any reason to change now.

Tele Addict

Intuition.

valenciatim

FTA or FTV?

derek500

FTA. It's a 2D version for Freesat boxes, hosted by the BBC.

Tele Addict

FTA: 10773 H 22000 5/6
FTV: 12422 H 27500 2/3

The FTV signal is what Sky Digiboxes are currently programmed to receive and the FTA signal is what the Freesat boxes use.

valenciatim

But as I already pointed out, We don't know which is relevant to the original poster.

Tele Addict

I'm sure you're on a wind up. Post #18 was a quoted response to post #14, not the original post. Then you came along and quoted post #18 and asked "FTV or FTA?". If your question was was about the original post, which doesn't mention FTV or FTA, why did you quote my post and ask a question about its content? And by the way both are relevant as both can be received on a Digibox, FTA negating the need for an FTV card if the OP doesn't have one.

The Guy

but if / when five make the decision to have all the five channels free to air, then all their channels will have to move to astra 2d, and they will not be able to sit on the same transponder as bbc2...they will have to have their own transponder....be it h or v.....as they have 9 channels...5 regional versions of 5 and fiver and fiveus and timeshifts....

the one currently on bbcs frequency used for freesat is the london regional variation...

true but the FTA one is limited reception in may areas of spain...even on 2.4m dishes! whereas the ftv one is nice an easy even on an 80cm!

Tele Addict

This is not true. There is no reason why Five's sister channels would have to go to 2D to broadcast unencrypted. I know all the urban legends about licensing but the fact of the matter is the 2D beams (horizontal and vertical) are freely available through the majority of Western Europe. The only problem in Spain is a null centred around Alicante but people much further south (Malaga for example) having no trouble receiving H and V signals on a 1.2m dish. If there really were licensing issues encryption would be the only option, not some obscure beam that is still easy to receive outside UK territory on a 60cm dish through most of Northern Europe. No, the only reason for the more concentrated beam is so the satellite consumes less power, anything else is myth.

They already have their own transponder (12422) but that transponder is under BskyB control which doesn't allow unencrypted signals. Up until March this year (since 2007) Five and its sister channels did have their own transponder on 2C but that satellite has temporarily been moved to 31.5ºE after SES Astra lost control of Astra 5A. Once the replacement is sent to that position 2C will return to 28ºE and along with Eurobird 1 and Astra 2D there will be plenty of capacity for those who choose to transmit FTA but could not up to this point due to them using transponder space sub-leased to them by BskyB.

2D is an old dog now. It's almost 10 years old and was launched with 12 years worth of fuel on board. It's the only satellite in that cluster with such a concentrated beam so perhaps in a short while we will be back in the same position as 2003 where only a 60cm was required to receive BBC and ITV.

The Guy

if that were the case why have a FTA version on 2d when they could just make their FTV on 12442 versions FTA...???
and if it wasnt down lo lisenceing why encrypt the itvs on 12402????
thought encryption was channel specific not tranponder specific...as there are many frequencies with a mix of fta and encrypted channels...(12480 with c4s and tton4!)
one thought is that the encrypted sky sports active and disney channels on astra 2d move to another location freeing up space on astra 2d for the FTV ITVs and Fives to move to....just depends on the disney and sky contracts with astra....
or they replace it with a satellite with an even more specific spot beam....like Thor or is it sirius's nordic spot beam....that would certainly cause MAJOR issues!!!

who knows until it all happens.

ps do i know you as someone else on another forum.....???? if it who i think it is i had better stop now !!!!!!!!!!

Tele Addict

The satellites belong to SES Astra. BskyB came along and leased transponders from SES Astra. BskyB has a policy not to transmit entertainment channels free to air so when BskyB sub-leased space on their transponders to other service providers those were transmitted encrypted. Obviously this is not a hardware limitation and many of the transponders do share both encrypted and FTA channels. As for why are there simultaneous FTA and FTV transmissions the answer is simple, the contract between BskyB and the various organizations which sub-leased space from it are still in force. Let's see what happens when the various contracts expire.
That's quite possible but don't forget that beam is pointed 10º further north than the 2D beam so is correspondingly more difficult to receive in Spain. Also Thor is not an SES Astra satellite. Looking at the beams of the most recently launched Astra satellites 1L and 1M the beams are much broader.

Edit: Yeah, but don't forget BskyB leases those transponders. Why should they make it easy for their rivals?

Also back to the licensing thing, there are over 80 channels (and I'm not including shopping or porn channels, etc) that transmit FTA on beams other than 2D including the BBC streams which contain licensed material (from Formula 1 for example). If there really were an issue over licensing why aren't these channels already in trouble?

derek500

Because for the majority of viewers - Sky/Freesat, the boxes need to be tuned to a 2d channel, to get the red button prompt for the BBCi content. The interactive streams can't be added manually.

Only generic FTA boxes let you tune them in directly.

It's a similar situation to Sky HD not being able to pick up ITV HD with the old EPG.

Strangely the Panasonic Freesat integrated TVs also let you add them in no-Freesat mode.

The Guy

not all transponders are leased to BsB...Disney lease 1 on 2d, UKTV lease many, Virgin lease a few, MTV have a few....not all subbed from BSB....

Suppose it depends what the requirements are for the channels it will be contracted out to....it may be a more attactive satelite for uk channels if it has a beam like the "nordic beam" and can also therefore be profitable for astra as channels bid for the transponders!
and it has been mentioned that the increased reception lobe of 2d around the south west of spain has been attributed to a fault on the satellite!

my be because they own the copyright for their programmes they mke, or have european rights for them....
and as mentoin, the streams are not available directly on sky or freesat boxes...all via red button (except for the 503 3001 trick!)