Originally Posted by Domino

now if that was true then that would really be corruption, but the handouts and bailouts have gone to the country and not individuals (unless you can prove otherwise)

the so called Barcenas Papers seem to be doubtful, at least in part, having suddenly surfaced although he was first investigated several years ago and there appear to be indications that some appear to have been written at the same time although covering long periods.
did he compile them over the last couple of years to drop as an atomic bomb as he felt he was being investigated too deeply.?
How did he have €22million in Switzerland that has only just come to light because of an arrangement between Revenue offices??

there is every chance this is a dirty thief implicating innocent people - so just because he has floated paperwork has shifted the onus on to others to prove their innocence. But it doesnt detract from his guilt.

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Originally Posted by Pocaloca

The bailout went straight to the banks! And who do you think benefits from that? Ever heard of Rodrigo Rato, that well-known "man of the people"?

The business of handouts and illegal backhanders was one of the things Baltazar Garzón was investigating but the PP got their back-room boys to declare the evidence illegal as it was obtained through wire-taps, and got shot of Garzón. They have the judiciary in their pockets, so they are now raising law suits all over the place knowing it will take years to sort out. Meanwhile they will carry on wrecking the country's economy (at least till 2015 when someone else will take over ...)

Originally Posted by jackytoo

There needs to be a major change in the political systems. If Rajoy and the PP falls what is the alternative, the PSOE. the very ones who messed up. Same as in the UK. Cameron is rubbish but who in their right minds would vote Milliband and his cronies back in.

Originally Posted by Pocaloca

No, the public money was used to award contracts to companies they owned to build things nobody wanted.

Originally Posted by cricketman

!Vivan los indignados!

I was speaking to an indignado last week who spent a month at the camp in Barcelona. She said the problem (as always) with the indignados that they are all very leftish, but fragmanted.

So the anarchists dont want what the communisits want, who dont want what the women's groups want, who dont want what the youth groups want, who dont want what the regionalists want etc etc. So they can't agree on a single policy.

Reminds of the Spanish civil war, some things never change!

Originally Posted by Pocaloca

No, the public money was used to award contracts to companies they owned to build things nobody wanted.

Originally Posted by jackytoo

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About Rajoy, donations maybe legal but he didn't declare them!

Originally Posted by agoreira

Correct, it's not only the corruption but the sheer waste on things that have been built, or half built and just left to rot. This video tells us nothing new really, apart from the actual amount of money wasted, the scale of the waste is incredible. The Spanish themselves (most of them!) don't have a problem recognising and highlighting the problems.
http://vimeo.com/36836769

Originally Posted by Relampago

Originally Posted by jackytoo

One reason could be they had billions out of Europe whilst the UK put billions in Also they don't have the benefit system to fund that the UK has.

Originally Posted by cricketman

!Vivan los indignados!

I was speaking to an indignado last week who spent a month at the camp in Barcelona. She said the problem (as always) with the indignados that they are all very leftish, but fragmanted.

So the anarchists dont want what the communisits want, who dont want what the women's groups want, who dont want what the youth groups want, who dont want what the regionalists want etc etc. So they can't agree on a single policy.

Reminds of the Spanish civil war, some things never change!

Originally Posted by Lynn R

It was ever thus with the Left - remember the film "Life of Brian" and the People's Popular Front of Judea versus the Judean Popular People's Front et al?