La mierda has finally hit the fan. Top PP politicians, including President Rajoy, have been receiving backhanders in plain brown envelopes from undeclared donations since 1990, and El Pais has published the evidence. They are still denying it though. Do you think anyone will believe them?

Spanish PM implicated in slush fund allegations

And will it make any difference to them being in power anyway? Politicians (of all political complexions, in all countries) today all seem to possess hides like rhinoceros(es) and no shame whatsoever.

This has been around for a while now, it's been in BBC, The Guardian, FT, CNN etc. After Barcenas was shopped by the Swiss for having salted away millions, looks like he is not going down on his own. Could take the whole PP cúpula with him. Seems 70% of the donations to PP were illegal as well, businessmen looking for, or grateful for special treatment. ie bribes.

http://politica.elpais.com/politica/...43_096713.html

I think the sheer scale of this, in that it affects so many government ministers and heads of ACs, might make it different this time. The fact that they are still denying stuff for which there is clear evidence and witnesses, will surely damage their reputation in Europe. They don't have much reputation left at home to damage!

There is a big meeting going on at the moment where they are attempting to get their story straight.

It reminds me a bit of the MPs expenses scandal in the UK which did have a massive impact - it practically destroyed any remaining trust amongst the electorate.

Shame there is nobody fit to take over if this lot do have to resign ...

Absolutely, I'm surprised nobody posted it here earlier, so thought I'd better do something about that!

Most are in denial, or blissfully unaware what is happening in Spain outside of their Brit abode. Spanish politics doesn't figure large in the Sun or the Mirror. Bit like the horse meat, it managed about three pages when it was happening in UK, but not a peep about the Spanish horse burgers.

and I thought it was just a claim by a crooked politician who has had over 2 years to sit down and make up these documents before releasing them.
considering he has moved €millions from Switzerland to "invest" in South America, has declared some and paid the necessary fines in Spain, who do you believe the man who has admitted he has the money in his bank accounts or those who say they didnt get a penny.??

so to say at this stage "they have been receiving" is perhaps stretching the truth just a little bit ? ?

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There is a e-petition calling for resignations. You can sign it if you want by going in to BBC News and clicking on the link. I have.

El Pais have today published twenty years worth of secret accounts showing these undeclared payments. You must be the only person in´the country who is in any doubt!

http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/02/02/...79_999797.html

Not saying you're wrong, but is this the same El Pais that published pictures of Hugo Chavez last week?

Of course it's wrong Stevie.
No doubt it's all part of an evil conspiracy.

Personally I can't for a single moment understand why anyone should ever even consider questioning the integrity of Spains faithful, trustworthy and impeccably honest politicians, any more than I can understand why they should ever question your various other posts which clearly prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that the Spanish economy is at present booming like never before.

It is not a question of the PP, in fact it is a question of all the parties, at least of the two big parties that are those that have governed these last 30 years. The PP received donations, but it was not of public money. And in reference to the PSOE, are 23 years of PSOE that they have brought the ruin twice to the country (this of Barcenas, in comparison, is a pocket money). In theory, the PSOE it should have disappeared a while ago. I believe that any democracy, at least in western Europe, it had allowed this party, but incomprehensibly it resists in Spain. Also, has also received donations for 60 million Eurus, cannot give lessons

So for the progress of this country, it is necessary to change the political system completely, and to use for the first time a fairrer and more transparent system, with elections with open lists, separation of powers, limit of mandate, and many other things. It is necessary to eliminate of root what there is now, because they have transformed the country into their way of life, a mounted spree among all they and their friends and pals, for enrich to expense of the public treasure

For me it is surprising that the people knows now this reality. I don't vote 13 years ago, to any party, mainly the two big parties. I didn't like, nor when the country was better economically

The corruption, as the racism, doesn't have patente nor nationality. The capitalist system is corruptible, and here an example in Germany

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-876856.html

or the Watergate case in United States

Oh, that's OK then! Problem is Lampy, 70% of the donations were illegal, they were sobornos. Of course it's easy to quote cases from other countries, but show me one that has "Más de 300 políticos españoles están imputados en causas judiciales por corrupción" Or one that has something like this,
http://www.cadenaser.com/espana/foto...srcsrnac_5/Ies

Because that nobody forgets, we are in the situation in that we are, for blame of Zapatero. In 1996, after of 15 years of socialist government, the country it was same or worse that now. Aznar arrived, and when leave in 2004, Spain had super-avit. Zapatero arrived. Do I ask, what it is necessary to make, to spend a super-avit in almost 8 years?

You couldn't make it up could you

Corruption in Spain with a link to Germany and what about the USA then...you forgot Zimbabwe