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Old Mar 15th 2021, 8:14 am
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https://www.attackmagazine.com/featu...-hand-in-hand/Attack: So what impact is the loss of free movement going to have on UK DJs?

Yousef: It’s going to restrict the whole range of people, from the grassroots all the way to major names and everyone in between because, for example, some people are going to want to go work in Ibiza for the summer – now that’s going to be really quite difficult, particularly if travel is limited for 90s days when some people usually go for three or four months. [Now that the UK is no longer an EU member, there are limits on how long UK citizens can work in European countries and the rules are different for each member state.]


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Old Mar 15th 2021, 10:38 am
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The requirements for residencia have been discussed on several posts.

You might want to consider contacting those you have worked for previously with view to doing a 90 stint every 180 days?
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Originally Posted by missile
The requirements for residencia have been discussed on several posts.

You might want to consider contacting those you have worked for previously with view to doing a 90 stint every 180 days?
Would there be much work available in the winter, though? I would have thought in this business effectively people would be limited to working only 90 days in the summer, and employers would be more likely to want people who can work for the whole of the summer season (unless it's the big names flying in for an occasional or regular session.
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Originally Posted by missile
The requirements for residencia have been discussed on several posts.

You might want to consider contacting those you have worked for previously with view to doing a 90 stint every 180 days?
Even if it were possible by agreeing to a 90/180 work pattern, there still remains the question of legality of working/earning a living on Schengen visa-waiver. Schengen 90/180 is for a visit, such as tourism, private (like meeting friends and family), business (like attending conferences, meeting clients, concluding a deal etc) and so on, and it doesn't allow you to earn a living, for which you need a work visa. There are limited circumstances in which you can receive payment, such as gratuities, prizes, hospitality, commissions, but only incidental to the main purpose of your stay. It mustn't be a way to earn your regular living.

'In compliance with EU Regulation 2018/1806 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 14 November 2018 British passport holders travelling to Schengen countries for holidays, business or to visit family do not require a visa for stays of up to 90 days in a 180 day-period, provided the visit is not for gainful activity. Please note that the 90 days will start counting from the date they enter any of the Schengen countries, including Spain.' Visas (FAQ) (exteriores.gob.es)
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I suppose everything is clear and you either spend 90 days there, or you need a Visa. If you can DJ in Montenegro or Croatia for 3 months, you can then return to Ibiza after that.
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Even if it were possible by agreeing to a 90/180 work pattern, there still remains the question of legality of working/earning a living on Schengen visa-waiver. Schengen 90/180 is for a visit, such as tourism, private (like meeting friends and family), business (like attending conferences, meeting clients, concluding a deal etc) and so on, and it doesn't allow you to earn a living, for which you need a work visa. There are limited circumstances in which you can receive payment, such as gratuities, prizes, hospitality, commissions, but only incidental to the main purpose of your stay. It mustn't be a way to earn your regular living.

'In compliance with EU Regulation 2018/1806 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 14 November 2018 British passport holders travelling to Schengen countries for holidays, business or to visit family do not require a visa for stays of up to 90 days in a 180 day-period, provided the visit is not for gainful activity. Please note that the 90 days will start counting from the date they enter any of the Schengen countries, including Spain.' Visas (FAQ) (exteriores.gob.es)
Most DJs and bar staff that I know are paid cash in hand.
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I suppose everything is clear and you either spend 90 days there, or you need a Visa. If you can DJ in Montenegro or Croatia for 3 months, you can then return to Ibiza after that.
You can only spend up to 90 days in Spain without a visa if you're not working.

There's three options:

1. Become a resident DJ for a club which splits its time between Ibiza and e.g. Barcelona and work for them under an employee visa under a fixed term or indefinite contract, if they do actually really hire DJs instead of employing them as freelancers or just paying them in cash.
2. Be fully self employed (with business plan, etc...).
3. Look in the FAQ link for "I AM AN ARTIST/ ACTOR/ MUSICIAN/ MODEL AND I AM GOING TO WORK IN SPAIN FOR A PERIOD LESS THAN 90 DAYS. DO I NEED VISA?" - the answer for that also seems to cover for more than 90 days too.

To be honest none of the options look great.
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The season for workers starts in May and finished mid October. Everything closes pretty much after that. Ibiza will be one of the most devastated places on the planet post covid/brexit. Without no mass gatherings and British seasonal workers there is no Ibiza. The islands economy relies heavily on both. It was an absolute money making machine for the Spanish government and it will be sorely missed. Which ever country breaks ranks with the EU on relaxing rules on visas will take the prize. Greece and Portugal look to take advantage if Spain all of a sudden start refusing British nationals. It’s a grim situation for anyone in the tourism business. Maybe it would be best staying in the uk for now.
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Old Mar 15th 2021, 1:34 pm
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The season for workers starts in May and finished mid October. Everything closes pretty much after that. Ibiza will be one of the most devastated places on the planet post covid/brexit. Without no mass gatherings and British seasonal workers there is no Ibiza. The islands economy relies heavily on both. It was an absolute money making machine for the Spanish government and it will be sorely missed. Which ever country breaks ranks with the EU on relaxing rules on visas will take the prize. Greece and Portugal look to take advantage if Spain all of a sudden start refusing British nationals. It’s a grim situation for anyone in the tourism business. Maybe it would be best staying in the uk for now.
Tourism isn't going to stop and it's not as if Ibiza wants more tourism. The whole idea is to get away from mass tourism and many locals can't even afford housing, so I doubt it would be a tragedy.
Not only will it benefit nature, but instead of 100 tourists you have 50 tourists who pay double the price, so it's still money making. If Ibiza can offer locals cheaper rentals and limit the amount of tourists, they'll jump for joy.
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Tourism isn't going to stop and it's not as if Ibiza wants more tourism. The whole idea is to get away from mass tourism and many locals can't even afford housing, so I doubt it would be a tragedy.
Not only will it benefit nature, but instead of 100 tourists you have 50 tourists who pay double the price, so it's still money making. If Ibiza can offer locals cheaper rentals and limit the amount of tourists, they'll jump for joy.
Who said Ibiza doesn’t want more tourism? Maybe some older poorer locals yes but business owners and the people they employ are crying out for them
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Unfortunately, being a DJ and moving to Ibiza looks it is a no-goer!

You did miss the boat a bit and perhaps a bit unlucky.

The key thing was to get here before the end of the year and then you would have been fine to stay on, as long as you like.

How you would have funded your existence here is another issue, as I don’t think you would have got any social security upon arrival and jobs are as rare as hen’s teeth here.

Good luck to you in the future!

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“Without no mass gatherings and British seasonal workers there is no Ibiza.

British seasonal workers are not an essential ingredient of Ibiza! There empty boots will be filled by the youth from Germany and France and indeed elsewhere in mainland Europe.
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Who said Ibiza doesn’t want more tourism? Maybe some older poorer locals yes but business owners and the people they employ are crying out for them
There have been many protests and not only from older poorer people. Yes they want tourism, but not the amounts they received in recent years . Over the last few years there have been plenty of smaller protests like the below. It's also worth nothing to the employee if they have a job and can't even afford accommodation. Add in the noise/pollution and it's clear why they feel this way. The British or Russian business owner doesn't care about their traditions. You need to find the balance.


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That looks a bit like the Catalans protesting about foreigner destroying their culture, traditions, language, making Barcelona a more expensive crowded place and pushing up house prices.

But they are all happy to jump on the band waggon in the interim and make money.

Nothing but hypocrisy!
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Who said Ibiza doesn’t want more tourism? Maybe some older poorer locals yes but business owners and the people they employ are crying out for them
Personally I think mass tourism is finished. Covid will stay around in some form or another and mass gatherings will be either heavily censored (face masks, minimum gaps etc, or maximum numbers will be strictly enforced.) And I can't see anyone being allowed to have a couple of hundred people dancing in one tiny spot in an enclosed space. Foam parties are never going to happen.

Torrevieja is spending nearly a million euros on its beaches and the infrastructure this year and are keeping the social distance scheme going (can't see them spending that much just for a year) so beaches wont be allowed to become crowded (not a bad thing in my mind)
Benidorm is getting the squares ready now for when the EU tourists start coming back. I can also see that becoming the norm now here.
I think anyone who thinks they will be able to come over for the 2 week booze holiday, crashing out on the beach during the day, is going to be very disappointed.

A couple of the bars around here and in Albir are saying they will be getting rid of the bar itself because they expect the rules to state no sitting or serving at the bar (which they are not allowed to do at the moment). One of them has said he also expects for them to continue table service and for the maximum allowed to be 6 no more at a table (so that gets rid of your 20 lads (or lasses) going out together to a bar or club) unless they all keep their distances.

Don't forget that a lot of the hotels are upgrading in places like Benidorm and that means they wont be allowing 10 in a room anymore.

The OP may not have a job to go to yet, so it may not be worth his (or her) while making any plans for a couple of years. Until the dust settles and we all know where we are in this world.

On another note I like Ibiza, but not the mass tourist part the quiet less travelled areas and there is some great history there as well, it just takes a bit of finding. We had planned a trip over this year so I could explore the area where the Hippys went and the North an East sides of the island. I still plan to do so.
The local Government have been trying to make the island more family friendly, maybe this is the push they will need.

But thats only my 2c and what do I know?
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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree
That looks a bit like the Catalans protesting about foreigner destroying their culture, traditions, language, making Barcelona a more expensive crowded place and pushing up house prices.

But they are all happy to jump on the band waggon in the interim and make money.

Nothing but hypocrisy!
If you've ever lived on a smaller island, it is nothing unique. You will find the same in Jersey and foreigners were always welcome until locals could no longer afford to live there and it was overcrowded. If it's Ibiza they will be Catalans.

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