This makes grim reading
Aug 27th 2020, 4:31 pm
#31
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Re: This makes grim reading
The UK treats its workers far better than the Spanish do.. I agree that things like zero hours contracts are wrong but workers have far more rights in the UK than they do in Spain.
Look at the minimum wage in Spain...it is given as a monthly amount....no mention about the number of hours you have to work......could be 70 hours a week....giving you 3 or 4 euros an hour.
The Spanish ignore their labour laws....certainly in small companies anyway. In fact, they ignore most laws.
Look at the minimum wage in Spain...it is given as a monthly amount....no mention about the number of hours you have to work......could be 70 hours a week....giving you 3 or 4 euros an hour.
The Spanish ignore their labour laws....certainly in small companies anyway. In fact, they ignore most laws.
. We still all have choices.
Aug 27th 2020, 4:40 pm
#32
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Re: This makes grim reading
Spain was a fascist dictatorship ! Have we forgotten that ? State structures are still in the hands of Francoists !
Aug 27th 2020, 4:41 pm
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Re: This makes grim reading
I think that's very true.
But, I also think that this was maybe another aspect of the UK never fully embracing EU thinking, there was always an us and them thing getting in the way. It obeyed rules as you would obey rules imposed on you by an outside authority that you don't have a close relationship with and there is no give and take. You bite your lip and do what you're told and the resentment builds up inside. Other countries seem to feel they can take liberties and they will be forgiven, like you do with friends and relations when you don't feel you always have to be on your best behaviour. Sometimes they go too far and get sanctioned of course. But the UK seems to have a problem, and not only with the EU, with being assertive in a positive way. Either it's too passive and it does what it's told but with no enthusiasm which kind of reduces the positivity, or it kicks back too aggressively which leads to squabbles. Or maybe I'm talking rubbish.
But, I also think that this was maybe another aspect of the UK never fully embracing EU thinking, there was always an us and them thing getting in the way. It obeyed rules as you would obey rules imposed on you by an outside authority that you don't have a close relationship with and there is no give and take. You bite your lip and do what you're told and the resentment builds up inside. Other countries seem to feel they can take liberties and they will be forgiven, like you do with friends and relations when you don't feel you always have to be on your best behaviour. Sometimes they go too far and get sanctioned of course. But the UK seems to have a problem, and not only with the EU, with being assertive in a positive way. Either it's too passive and it does what it's told but with no enthusiasm which kind of reduces the positivity, or it kicks back too aggressively which leads to squabbles. Or maybe I'm talking rubbish.
Aug 27th 2020, 7:13 pm
#34
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Re: This makes grim reading
Bradford has 63.9% of its population defining themselves as white British for example. Manchester 67% white, Birmingham 70%, Bolton 80%, Sheffield 84%, Liverpool 91%, Newcastle 82%.
Please give us your list or stop putting racist nonsense like this on the forum. Thanks
Aug 27th 2020, 7:43 pm
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Re: This makes grim reading
Birmingham 70% white? Don´t make me laugh.
Aug 27th 2020, 8:15 pm
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Re: This makes grim reading
Extract: "Birmingham is even more ethnically diversethan London, the country's capital city. The 2001 census confirmed that 70.4% of the people of Birmingham were white, 19.5% were Asian, 6.1% were Black, 0.5 were Chinese, 2.5% were mixed race, and 0.6 were of another ethnic group." Now that is a fact. When you say the word FACT, you mean your "opinion". You can't even speak English properly if you don't know the difference between the two words.
How about trying to prove me wrong with some actual data rather than spewing out your nonsense. Perhaps start with that list of big cities that you mentioned that didn't have many of your fellow citizens left. " Because there are not many of my fellow citizens left in most big cities in the UK". No evidence, just a small mind. If you can give us evidence, I'll apologise. Finally, if you can't see what you said is racist, then I feel sorry for you.
Last edited by Rosemary; Aug 28th 2020 at 7:24 am. Reason: removed part of quote
Aug 27th 2020, 9:08 pm
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Re: This makes grim reading
The UK treats its workers far better than the Spanish do.. I agree that things like zero hours contracts are wrong but workers have far more rights in the UK than they do in Spain.
Look at the minimum wage in Spain...it is given as a monthly amount....no mention about the number of hours you have to work......could be 70 hours a week....giving you 3 or 4 euros an hour.
The Spanish ignore their labour laws....certainly in small companies anyway. In fact, they ignore most laws.
Look at the minimum wage in Spain...it is given as a monthly amount....no mention about the number of hours you have to work......could be 70 hours a week....giving you 3 or 4 euros an hour.
The Spanish ignore their labour laws....certainly in small companies anyway. In fact, they ignore most laws.
Aug 28th 2020, 5:42 am
#38
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Re: This makes grim reading
If I am a Racist then fine...I am quite happy with that.
Aug 28th 2020, 6:58 am
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Re: This makes grim reading
Gibraltar has a very diverse population, some of whom have taken up British citizenship, they are white in appearence but are not originally from the UK
Aug 28th 2020, 7:52 am
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Re: This makes grim reading
They need us more than we need them.
Aug 28th 2020, 8:57 am
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Re: This makes grim reading
Exactly.
Aug 28th 2020, 10:21 am
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Re: This makes grim reading
From the 2011 census...
Brent 36.3% white
Ealing 49% white
Harrow 42.2% white
Newham 29% white
Redbridge 42.5% white
Tower Hamlets 45.2% white
Gettting close.....
Barking and Dagenham 58.3%
Croydon 55.1%
Hackney 54.7%Hounslow 51.4%
Lambeth 57.1%
Lewisham 53.5%
Southwark 54.3%
Waltham Forest 52.2%
Will be interesting what the results of next years census will be.
Brent 36.3% white
Ealing 49% white
Harrow 42.2% white
Newham 29% white
Redbridge 42.5% white
Tower Hamlets 45.2% white
Gettting close.....
Barking and Dagenham 58.3%
Croydon 55.1%
Hackney 54.7%Hounslow 51.4%
Lambeth 57.1%
Lewisham 53.5%
Southwark 54.3%
Waltham Forest 52.2%
Will be interesting what the results of next years census will be.