Majority of Spaniards will not....
 

This is obviously going to get very emotive

https://english.elpais.com/society/2...oll-finds.html

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Very sad. Those same people will happily ignore the effects of taking designer drugs, smoking, drinking .

In 1918, Spanish flu lasted for 2 years. The second wave killed far more people than the first, in total there were 4 waves. An estimated 20 million to 50 million people died. Here we are 102 years later, and what have we learned?
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I dont think this figure will be any different in other European countries. We live in a time where the truth of the information we receive can only be verified by putting in effort. In the pre-virtual, post war era trust was basically all you had if you weren't to be labelled a communist or mad
Since then the nature of truth became wobbly but essentially held together by a bond of honesty which still prevailed amongst politicians and media moguls. In the last few years the rise of populism has put paid to that. Lying is seen as an acceptable political tool if it sustains what are seen as necessary goals. Trump lies, Cummings lied, Johnson and Farage lie. For these people it worked ( well maybe not now forTrump). People simply do not trust authority anymore. Add in the context of fiction which also contributes to our world understanding. Our constant diet of TV and films where the need to be entertained forces writers to adjust facts ( The Crown, Braveheart,The Imitation Game) and you have a perfect storm for the coming scepticism and cynicism which will mark the next decade

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I know quite a few British people, me included, who will refuse the vaccine until it has been tested thoroughly, say at least one year. If all the politicians were willing to have it done first then I might reconsider. I still have memories of the thalidomide vaccine supposedly being a miracle and going to work wonders........

Steve

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Thalidomide wasn't a vaccine. It was a drug prescribed to pregnant women to combat excessive morning sickness, and is now used to treat certain forms of cancer.

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Sorry, yes I mistakenly called it a vaccine, I know it was a drug and its history. My point was that the health authorities said it was safe after extensive trials and we all know how that turned out....I am not convinced that the covid vaccine has been tested enough to say it's safe to use. As I said before, I will have it tomorrow only if all the politicians have it first otherwise I'll wait untill next year.

Steve

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Should those who do decide to be vaccinated get a certificate to say they have had it, and subsequently be exempt from whatever restrictions have to remain in place until a sufficiently large proportion of the population have had either the virus or the vaccine, do you think? I am inclined to think so.

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Fortunately so far, the restrictions have made little difference to my lifestyle so I'm happy to wait until those who wish to risk having the vaccine to do so. I've spoken to a number of people about this subject and its 50/50 on deciding which way to go, so not so many people, especially those who already live in Spain are willing to risk it.

Steve

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I'm happy to be at the front of the queue, but unfortunately though near the front I will not be first.

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A lot of the doubts seem to revolve aroud the Pfizer vaccine being the first ever mrna vaccine. I understand the Oxford vaccine is not, and therefore might be more popular.

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What do people keen to be vaccinated believe the vaccine will bestow on them and the community and for how long?

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I will head the queue if I get the opportunity.
Luckily, we are not in the same country or I would elbow you out of the queue 🤣
Whether ppl want to get vaccinated or not in the end it will be the airlines who give you the choice: you can only fly if you have proof of vaccination.

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Why should they?
If they believe that the vaccine will give them the protection that they desire then what do they have to fear from those not vaccinated?

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Herd immunity I guess. And eventually a permannt return to a pre-covid lifestyle.

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There is no way I want to be encased in a metal tube with lots of other people whether it can fly or not until this problem is solved

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This is Matthew Hancock announcing the “milestone” of an MHRA approved “vaccine” to the House of Commons yesterday. He reiterated his promise that “no vaccine will be used until its safety and effectiveness have been clearly established”. He added that the Pfizer formulation had been “subjected to the closest scrutiny of the MHRA” and been given “a clinical authorisation”. “This,” he stated baldly, “is a vaccine we can all believe in”. He finally bragged that “this is the first vaccine in the world to have achieved regulatory approval for use against Covid19”.

Mr Hancock lied to the House. He further lied to BBCNews viewers earlier in the day, as he told them, “when this vaccine is rolled out, things will get better and we will all return to normality and the things we love”. He doesn’t know that – he cannot know that – and this is emphatically not what the MHRA Pfizer decision says.


The above is from here & may be of interest .......................https://therealslog.com/2020/12/03/e...fizer-vaccine/

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Thank for that VFR. I don't believe that they can say everything is safe about that vaccine when it's not been tested at all. Give it to the aged 80's and over and kill all those off first.....

Steve

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I get the flu vaccine every year many do not.
I expect covid vaccine will have similar risks and afford similar protection.

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It has been tested!!

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So do I and we have also had the Pneumonia jab.

Its worth noting that the flu jab is only about 50% effective, less in some cases, so a new vaccine with 95% effectiveness really is a breakthrough.

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As I understand it:
The flu virus mutates and I believe this is why the vaccine is less effective. New formulations are developed, but it is like playing catch up with mother nature.
The covid vaccine(s) have been tested on the original Covid-19 virus. I have read covid has already mutated and there are different strains of this virus.
I expect in practice the covid vaccine(s) will have a similar effectiveness as flu vaccine.

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On balance I will get vaccinated but I do understand peoples fears. How can any long term effects be known where no long term statistics exist?
I shall probably wait for the Oxford vaccine as that seems to be a development of the tested and proven flu vaccine that I have.

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I think the biggest worry is not the vaccine but who will administer it. It's a massive operation that cannot possibly be done by just GPs and nurses. That means volunteers. Volunteers means mistakes ( quantities, sterilisation, maintaining covid free work areas, distribution, disposal) There are number of things that could go wrong. The UK government have already suggested having to deal with 100,000 cases per million where there will be linked problems after vaccination!!

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I've just seen on the TV that a survey has been done amongst the UK population and it seems that around 35% will not be taking the offer of the vaccine.

Steve

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will you get that choice or know even which vaccine you were getting? I suppose you might if you went private.

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That's about right because the general consensus is that at a 65% uptake you get to herd imunity.

From the list I'm in the bottom to last level as I'm 58. By the time it gets to my turn, the vaccine will have been in general use for some time. But as I have never had the flu vaccine I may not bother with the covid one either.

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What an absolutely daft idea and not thought through. So by your method you'd have many millions of healthy under 50 year olds under restrictions for many months (they are not even scheduled to be offered vaccine on the first phase in U.K) whilst say 75 yr old with a certificate are exempt from restrictions can get back to more normality....Bonkers idea.

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Insightful and unfortunately very accurate assessment from Chipmonk of the depressing situation we now all find ourselves in .....

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This is the general consensus of everyone that I have spoken to recently too

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I will be front of the queue when it is my turn. I am very grateful to the brave souls who did the trials. I was first in the queue in the fifties when we were all tested for TB. Also diphtheria, polio, smallpox etc etc

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This from my cousin who is a nurse in Worthing West Sussex:

'I will deffo have the vaccine as have heard horror stories about patients in intensive care with covid will spare you the details https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/e...5/16/1f602.png take care'

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coron...?ocid=msedgdhp

Some people may have had the decision made for them due to this.

Rosemary

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I would do too. But when will it come? I can get in on the first round in Austria (65y upwards) for the Pfizer one. I don't think there is any choice if I want to start travelling again.

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I am one of those people, I had already made my mind up not to have the vaccine long before this article, they have no idea what the effects can be on people with allergy's or on those taking several different medications. The vaccine needs a much longer testing period in my view, without that they could in fact end up killing people....but that's probably why they are giving it to the elderly first, they are viewed these days as not of any importance.

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I fully agree, couldn't have put it any better!!

Steve

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I am the same. Have had to remain in the house all of this time due to long term existing issues. Had already decided that the vaccine had to be thoroughly tested before I could consider it and then saw that it was a danger to people with allergies so that ruled it out for me anyway.

Rosemary

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People can be allergic to many forms of medicines but doesnt mean that the medicine is harmful and others should avoid it. If you suffer from severe allergic reactions you probably should avoid it. My brother law is an anti- Vax person. I found out that he caught Covid last week and is in hospital now his wife a child both are positive. I wonder how he must feel relying on the help and experience of doctors and scientists to try make him and his family well after all his stupid know-it-all remarks about Covid.!

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Very good points.

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Well said XXX
The medical profession are working very hard to keep us safe.
I am allergic to iodine, but will be very pleased to get the vaccine.

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Come on lets face facts Big Pharma are the ones working hard and profit $$$$$ is all they care about.