Its a shame..
Jun 11th 2014 | 1:17 pm
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Re: Its a shame..
Well said Jim. EMR raised some perfectly good counterpoints.
On topic and relevant. However 'I am stu' took offence and made silly comments.
Normally I am more inclined to 'Stu's point of view than I am 'EMR's' but that does not make everything he say's wrong or rubbish.
Nor is he a troll.
You didn't like his perfectly valid on topic challenge and unfairly attacked him.
Jun 11th 2014 | 2:09 pm
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Re: Its a shame..
This article states that the babies were not thrown into a septic tank. It goes onto to explain the type of burial area used. Oddly, I have a family 'plot' in Waterford through my Irish grandfather's line. The method to inter is for a new body to be buried on top of older remains. It is a little raised from the ground with a solid top and sides. Very old. with several remains inside.
Also an article where Catherine Corless herself discredits the spin the media seems to have put on her research.
There is no doubt though, that in the main, the unmarried mums and their children were treated inhumanely . Heck. My own Mum was treated very badly by the nuns at her school. One nun was so rough she broke her arm & then made her do penance for showing pain.
I do hope that the documentation about medical vaccine experiments on children within assorted institutions leads to a further investigation.
My aunt had a child out of wedlock during the 40's. Mum was told the baby went to Scottish cousins. In light of all this, I hope that was true.
Also an article where Catherine Corless herself discredits the spin the media seems to have put on her research.
There is no doubt though, that in the main, the unmarried mums and their children were treated inhumanely . Heck. My own Mum was treated very badly by the nuns at her school. One nun was so rough she broke her arm & then made her do penance for showing pain.
I do hope that the documentation about medical vaccine experiments on children within assorted institutions leads to a further investigation.
My aunt had a child out of wedlock during the 40's. Mum was told the baby went to Scottish cousins. In light of all this, I hope that was true.
Jun 11th 2014 | 7:44 pm
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Re: Its a shame..
This article states that the babies were not thrown into a septic tank. It goes onto to explain the type of burial area used. Oddly, I have a family 'plot' in Waterford through my Irish grandfather's line. The method to inter is for a new body to be buried on top of older remains. It is a little raised from the ground with a solid top and sides. Very old. with several remains inside.
Also an article where Catherine Corless herself discredits the spin the media seems to have put on her research.
There is no doubt though, that in the main, the unmarried mums and their children were treated inhumanely . Heck. My own Mum was treated very badly by the nuns at her school. One nun was so rough she broke her arm & then made her do penance for showing pain.
I do hope that the documentation about medical vaccine experiments on children within assorted institutions leads to a further investigation.My aunt had a child out of wedlock during the 40's. Mum was told the baby went to Scottish cousins. In light of all this, I hope that was true.
Also an article where Catherine Corless herself discredits the spin the media seems to have put on her research.
There is no doubt though, that in the main, the unmarried mums and their children were treated inhumanely . Heck. My own Mum was treated very badly by the nuns at her school. One nun was so rough she broke her arm & then made her do penance for showing pain.
I do hope that the documentation about medical vaccine experiments on children within assorted institutions leads to a further investigation.My aunt had a child out of wedlock during the 40's. Mum was told the baby went to Scottish cousins. In light of all this, I hope that was true.
Unfortunately drug trials, vaccine trials etc. in psychiatric institutions, elderly care homes, orphanages etc were also widespread across UK and USA.
Read Maurice Pappworth's book 'Human Guinea Pigs' 1967. (For which he received much disapproval from the medical hierarchy.)
Relatively recently President Clinton apologised to the victims (black) of the non-treatment of VD, experiment in Tuskegee University.
The other dilemma is that we all have benefited from these experiments on drugs and vaccines.
The treatment of unmarried mothers and their babies by some Catholic institutions was just inhumane.
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Jun 11th 2014 | 8:03 pm
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Re: Its a shame..
Maybe I'm over-analysing this, but just out of interest: What percentage of the people who are behaving in this way are actually resident in Spain, have been resident in Spain or are considering taking up residence in Spain?
Jun 11th 2014 | 8:10 pm
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Re: Its a shame..
I do hope that the documentation about medical vaccine experiments on children within assorted institutions leads to a further investigation.
My aunt had a child out of wedlock during the 40's. Mum was told the baby went to Scottish cousins. In light of all this, I hope that was true.
My aunt had a child out of wedlock during the 40's. Mum was told the baby went to Scottish cousins. In light of all this, I hope that was true.
The church has a lot to answer for as they frightened the people into shame.
Jun 11th 2014 | 8:19 pm
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Re: Its a shame..
There's an excellent short documentary by RTE called " Anatomy of a scandal" on this story. It's available on various torrent sites.
I think it was aired last Tuesday.
I think it was aired last Tuesday.
Jun 11th 2014 | 8:30 pm
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Re: Its a shame..
This article states that the babies were not thrown into a septic tank. It goes onto to explain the type of burial area used. Oddly, I have a family 'plot' in Waterford through my Irish grandfather's line. The method to inter is for a new body to be buried on top of older remains. It is a little raised from the ground with a solid top and sides. Very old. with several remains inside.
Also an article where Catherine Corless herself discredits the spin the media seems to have put on her research.
There is no doubt though, that in the main, the unmarried mums and their children were treated inhumanely . Heck. My own Mum was treated very badly by the nuns at her school. One nun was so rough she broke her arm & then made her do penance for showing pain.
I do hope that the documentation about medical vaccine experiments on children within assorted institutions leads to a further investigation.
My aunt had a child out of wedlock during the 40's. Mum was told the baby went to Scottish cousins. In light of all this, I hope that was true.
Also an article where Catherine Corless herself discredits the spin the media seems to have put on her research.
There is no doubt though, that in the main, the unmarried mums and their children were treated inhumanely . Heck. My own Mum was treated very badly by the nuns at her school. One nun was so rough she broke her arm & then made her do penance for showing pain.
I do hope that the documentation about medical vaccine experiments on children within assorted institutions leads to a further investigation.
My aunt had a child out of wedlock during the 40's. Mum was told the baby went to Scottish cousins. In light of all this, I hope that was true.
As this thread and so many others have proved we live in an " age of disinformation " where tabliods and so called " popular " TV progs become the source of all knowledge. Facts who cares , not when it gets in the way of advertising revenue and the views of our core readers or listeners.
Jun 11th 2014 | 8:45 pm
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Re: Its a shame..
This article states that the babies were not thrown into a septic tank. It goes onto to explain the type of burial area used. Oddly, I have a family 'plot' in Waterford through my Irish grandfather's line. The method to inter is for a new body to be buried on top of older remains. It is a little raised from the ground with a solid top and sides. Very old. with several remains inside.
Also an article where Catherine Corless herself discredits the spin the media seems to have put on her research.
There is no doubt though, that in the main, the unmarried mums and their children were treated inhumanely . Heck. My own Mum was treated very badly by the nuns at her school. One nun was so rough she broke her arm & then made her do penance for showing pain.
I do hope that the documentation about medical vaccine experiments on children within assorted institutions leads to a further investigation.
My aunt had a child out of wedlock during the 40's. Mum was told the baby went to Scottish cousins. In light of all this, I hope that was true.
Also an article where Catherine Corless herself discredits the spin the media seems to have put on her research.
There is no doubt though, that in the main, the unmarried mums and their children were treated inhumanely . Heck. My own Mum was treated very badly by the nuns at her school. One nun was so rough she broke her arm & then made her do penance for showing pain.
I do hope that the documentation about medical vaccine experiments on children within assorted institutions leads to a further investigation.
My aunt had a child out of wedlock during the 40's. Mum was told the baby went to Scottish cousins. In light of all this, I hope that was true.
Nuns and priests having the charge of children is one of the worst mixes I can imagine. When a country such as Ireland, where the Church was far more woven into the fabric of the state than it is today, slowly and reluctantly gives up the secrets of it's dark past, I often wonder why such an institution so embroiled in child rape, abuse and mistreatment is even allowed to exist.
By today's standards of moral indignation of even calling people names, it should have been banned and it's temples burned to the ground a long time ago. Yet still decent honest people put their hard earned money into the begging plate of one of the richest entities in the world, money that buys the silence of child rape victims and the hiding of their attackers.
In my form year we had five boys who were caned so hard whilst in their pyjamas for talking after lights out at 9.00pm that the bruises took weeks to heal. None of them returned the following terms, the priests responsible disappeared, the Police were called but nothing ever happened. I wonder why.....
Jun 11th 2014 | 8:47 pm
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Re: Its a shame..
My Mum went to a Catholic school run by nuns Pedro Pete. She experienced physical and mental abuse there. A nun broke her arm whilst in the process of caning her for picking up something with her left hand. She had very bad memories. My Mum ran away from Ireland to England soon after she started work.
Yes, Bipat. I would not think for one minute that medical experimentation on children or otherwise was confined to Ireland. It is highlighted though by the tandem story about the baby grave.
edited here.... It had never occurred to me that my cousin did not go to Scottish relatives . Now I think of this, I supposed I just assumed there were Scottish relatives. I know my Mum believed this. Her sister was a few years older than her.
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Jun 11th 2014 | 9:00 pm
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Re: Its a shame..
Well said Jim. EMR raised some perfectly good counterpoints.
On topic and relevant. However 'I am stu' took offence and made silly comments.
Normally I am more inclined to 'Stu's point of view than I am 'EMR's' but that does not make everything he say's wrong or rubbish.
Nor is he a troll.
You didn't like his perfectly valid on topic challenge and unfairly attacked him.
EMR said I was comparing the Catholic church to the Nazis!
That´s just twisting words (as she does) and causing an argument (as she does).
Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Mugabe, Basher Al-Assad and many others, would have all been proud at some of the hidden criminality of the Catholic Church in Ireland. Because it´s down right evil!
Quite how this was a case of me comparing the Catholic church to Nazi rule in the context of EMR´s statement is beyond me.
Twisting words and putting your own meanings to comments isn´t debate. It results in pointless, puerile arguments, which I for one will no longer take part in.
And yes, I believe her to be a troll! Adios!
Jun 11th 2014 | 9:08 pm
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Re: Its a shame..
He is a She as has been said Oh so many times, but hey when did you ever get the facts right.
