Snce I read the story I've had the quote about Macduff in my head.

obviously you are more up to date than the average bear
so how many women and children and babies were involved in this

although I am not too happy with this, the Social Workers didn't manage to save Baby Peter and several others who were supposedly in their care, why should they get involved with a foreign national

Yes, agree, exaggeration of scale (I hope) but I don't think it's possible to exaggerate the horror for the poor woman, sectioned or not. Surely there must have been a more humane or compassionate way? Was it really out of the question to get her back home so that the baby could go into care there where she wouldn't feel so far away?

Edited to correct

The programme Undercover care I saw referred to on another thread aired a few years ago but apparently some clpis were shown on BBC today. The programme exposes the abuses in the UK care system and is available online.

I am a fox, those damn humans deserve no rights, they have been chasing my lot
around for centuries.As for those damn dogs, gang rape comes in question, and
For those righteous snobish horses, giving those humans piggy-back rides, to chase
us down, make them into burgers, I say.

The woman's father, who probably knows the lady in question better than you, is in favour of the decisions taken, including putting the baby up for adoption. The council are not at liberty to discuss the case, so we only had the story from a woman suffering mental illness, her father's view is different, to say the least.

Yes thanls, I saw the comments from the father a day or two ago, it doesn't change the horror I feel about what's been done to this woman.

I wasn't suggesting she be allowed to keep the baby, but that the baby could have gone for adoption in italy instead of in the UK, as I understand is the case. At least then she might be able to see it from time to time and it would have the chance to know its brother and sister.

Has this changed? Are the UK social services going to pass the baby to the Italian authorities?

Never mind TV programmes, try working in an acute mental hospital. Some patients are incapable of living any normal life outside. I know someone who is currently appealing against being held, suffering from extreme paranoia, refusing medication and attacking staff. Human rights says she has her own room even though a nurse has to sit outside 24 hours a day. She won't acknowledge the 2 children she has leaving them confused and distressed. I am sure there are abuses but the care I have seen there is wonderful although, of course, the media aren't interested in that the BBC are keen to publicise the many who have been released to either kill themselves or others. I prefer to leave it to the experts.

Crooksey was stating that the court was an example of EU lunacy, I was pointing out it had nothing to do with the EU. Many items that get UKIPERS frothing at the mouth are either not the EU's fault or are things that Britain in-particular has pushed-for.

I haven't watched the programme, the comments I read about it were distressing enough. Several of the perpertrators were, fortunately, jailed for the abuse of patients.

And me. As I said, to remove the baby won't have been a decision taken lightly, experts would have been consulted, they would have believed they had good reason to do what they did, both for the mother and the child. They would have known the sort of comments that would arise from such a decision, but they still choose to go ahead.

The person I refer to was given access to a specialist Lawyer and legal aid to appeal against her confinement. He is defending her despite her refusing to speak to him No-one can help her as she thinks everyone is trying to kill her, even her 2 young children.

Sounds like Spain a few years ago only they were sane and the babies were sold to wealthy families, check ongoing court cases....
M

Yes, there's still lots of Spanish mothers out there desperate to try and trace their stolen babies.

Very sad business, to which the Govt appears completely oblivious, though nothing new there, judging by some of their other recent actions.

Amnesty International:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/spain...law-2014-04-24
The excessive use of force by Spanish police and plans to strengthen repressive legislation are a damning indictment of the Spanish government’s determination to crush peaceful protest, said Amnesty International in a new report published today.

“The Spanish government is using the full force of the law to suffocate legitimate peaceful protest,” said Jezerca Tigani, Europe and Central Asia Deputy Programme Director.

“The police have repeatedly used batons and rubber bullets against demonstrators, injuring and maiming protestors and by-standers alike. The police act with complete impunity, while peaceful demonstrators and leaders of social movements are continually harassed, stigmatized, beaten, sometimes arrested to face criminal charges, imprisonment and fines.”


I suppose some will dispute any of this is true also.....just like Telemadrid did when they used images of riots in Greece to portray false violence by the Spanish...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibir-3Y9ALQ&hd=1

More and more it appears that this Govt is heading back towards Francoism both with new repressive legislation and thuggery on the streets.