Dick Dasterdly

Can this be right ?

http://www.thelocal.es/20131129/chil...-rights-ruling

Not only this, but the recent early release on EU Court instructions of dozens of terrorists, many of them cold blooded murderers and the increased heartbreak and anguish it's caused to the many who have lost loved ones.

crookesey

Never a better example of why I am a supporter of UKIP, bloody EU lunacy.

chopera

Yes it's been all over the Spanish news recently. Google "ley Parot" for more details. (it seems that according to the EU only those found guilty of crimes have human rights. Never the victims).

HBG

This particular court ruling seems wrong to me, but in general terms I agree with a European Court of Human Rights; the more wise judges involved in important decisions the better.

Our justice system in the UK is mostly still a throwback to the old feudal system where wealthy landowners ensure that property (theirs) is more important than humanity. People transgressing against those 'property' laws are subjected to inhuman treatment, it used to be deportation to a prison island for the most minor offences and even hangings.

A recent examples were the sentences of 30 years dished out to the train robbers which lead to such an increase in armed robberies that security vans were sliced open like sardine cans in the middle of our cities and the police could only cope by offering deals to those despicable supergrasses.

Our right wing still control the justice system, and we desperately need Human Rights legislation to keep them in check.

SENOR DEN

Bring back vigilantes to sort out this kind of criminals

Dick Dasterdly

Time for a major fluffy bunny shoot before their contagion spreads any further.


54 Terrorists released into Spanish society as a result of a decision made in Strasbourg.

Understandable that there is continuing outrage across Spain as a whole and never ending despair amongst those who lost loved ones.

kimilseung

Is this an EU mix up or a Spanish mix up, reading the article it looks like the court is just getting Spain to follow its own laws.

HBG

Again this is more Human Rights than terrorist orientated, but all countries seek to reduce crime, especially re-offending. If only the right wing 'flog them brigade' would stop to smell the coffee and realise that they and their families would be able to sleep easier if they simply stopped the flogging.

The UK locks up more of its people than almost every other country in the world, and it doesn't work. The punishment doesn't work and the efforts at rehabilitation are pitiful.

But there is one fluffy bunny country right on our doorstep who have got it right. Their citizens can sleep easy and the lessons are so simple it isn't true. Here's what Sweden does.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...losing-prisons

Dick Dasterdly

I've spent enough time in Sweden to see it's going to hell in a handbag as far as law and order are concerned due to lack of respect for the law and pussy footed police who are no more than a joke.

Anyone facing a serious situation over there better be prepared to deal with it themselves because the chances of the cops even turning up at all are pretty remote, not that they'd raise a finger to help anyway.

Personally I'd sleep a lot easier in my bed if they locked up terrorists and serial killers and threw the key away.
Even better eliminate them permanently as far as I'm concerned.

Anyone following the Court case involving that soldier who was decapitated ?
No doubt we'll be expected to fork out to keep the scum responsible for that in luxury for the rest of their lives as well.

HBG

Your personal experience doesn't seem to reflect the fact that Sweden has a re-offending rate of 40% against the UK's 80%. Maybe you went to a rough place like the one just over the bridge from Denmark.

The two terrorist monsters currently standing trial at the Old Bailey will get total life sentences, personally I would like to see them executed, but it's an exceptional case and not one on which anything to do with human rights can be judged.

Domino

I will say that theoretically it is right to have a 30 year rule, and in one instance 10,000 euros paid for working for the period over that time.
And what do you do in this fluffy bunny land when a court can give someone over 340 years detention ??

but then the train robbers did get up to 30yrs IIRC but that was back in the 1960's and most felt it was for other crimes, but it was another poke at crime against property paying more than crime against person.

with Human Rights legislation, where soldiers can be tried for shooting at people who kill their mates, but the original killers don't even have to be in the country to give evidence..............

put me down for as a gun for the Fluffy Bunny shoot - Boxing Day ???

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Dick Dasterdly

I lived mainly in one of the quietest areas of Sweden and still have many regular connections and contacts throughout the country and I can assure you that the level of dissatisfaction with regard to law and order and immigration issues throughout the country is even higher than that in the UK.

The situation in Malmo is a nightmare with both violent drug wars and religious feuds. One religious section of the population that looked upon Sweden as a safe haven after the war have virtually been hounded out of the town and the country by another, their numbers dropping by over 75% in recent years with virtually nobody lifting a finger to help.

Anyway that's bye the bye. I would say that the case in the UK does bear comparison with the many cold-blooded atrocities of ETA and I am not in the least surprised at the outrage caused throughout Spain at the recent decision to release those responsible.

The sad truth is that due to it's crisis and total reliance on the EU, Spain is an independent country in name only and now has no other choice but to dance like puppets on a string to whatever tune Brussels or Strasbourg care to play.

rachelk

Exactly. This is not a blanket ruling to release all prisoners. It's a ruling to release those who have served their sentences, taking into account reductions they're entitled to - according to Spanish penal law - for work/study while in prison.

Bri and Katee

The UK is currently having to rethink its 'LIFE' sentence after it was deemed against the EU human rights legislation. Apparently it is unfair to say LIFE giving the detainee no hope of any release!

Simple answer in my opinion is to adope the US system. never say life make the sentence say 30 to 50 years or similar numbers (no less than 30 no more than 50 to be served) In other words they can't apply for early release until the lower figure has been released.

Domino

and after 30 years in the tough US prisons it would be very hard to not have clocked up additonal penalties that would preclude their release.
In fact, after 30 years in any proper penal institute they wouldn't be suitable for release into the general community, their minds would be so scrambled they would be a bigger danger.

But whatever, If You Does The Crime You Does The Time.