The US justice system is far too convoluted to compare with our European one. Whether we like it or not we are Old Europe, very different to the far more recent US - we've still got Kings and Queens, they've never had either, at least not since the Boston Tea Party in 1773.

The Human Rights legislation is recent and necessary in a civilised Europe, unfortunately the recent terrorism is shaking its foundations because it's difficult to legislate against something so alien to our old ways - people wanting to kill us just for being Christians.

The real question is 'are those terrorists entitled to our human rights'?

I know I should say Yes, but I find it difficult to say so.

phew! I'm safe.

Yeh, but have you put the word about ?

Somehow I doubt if passing the word on to a handful of B.E. readers will be quite enough to convince everyone else in the world.

I don't think so............

they won't worry about checking you on a database of Christians, either you are a believer or you will be beheaded

simples

Having some relationship with the law and without wishing to express an opinion for it is still in being the trial that is their defence is essentially. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and it was and is God's will. That is their defence. Their is no criminal defence as far as I know to cover this but the Barristers have yes have to accept what their clients tell them!

So we are probably tying up some £10M or thereabouts even more on this trial when there is no doubt what the Jury decision is to be. A personal expression it is a farce and even the Judge cannot do anything about it. These alleged and I use the world guardedly maniacs will probably get life and life is to be life. And of course folks they are allowed to pray to their maker every day. I am not sure the direction of Mecca from any high security prison.

Regarding the case in question , it puzzles me that the police did not shoot to kill.
We have a friend who is a member of an armed response team has done personal protection foir members of thr Royal family and heads of state. etc.
There is no question the aim is to kill not wound where their personal safety or that of the public is concerned.
There is a niggle in that back of my mind that in London following the cock up that resulted in an innocent Brazilian being shot and the events that resulted in the summer riots that maybe, just maybe the rules in london have changed.
The other thing that gets me is the members of the great british public who stood around taking pictures on their phones instead of trying to help the soldier in question.
But then I was not there .
Regarding the initial post, yesterdays terrorists are tomorrows politicians and heads of state.

So no doubt EMR being a such shining example of the great British public would have immediately waded in unarmed and stopped the machete wielding madmen dead in their tracks.


The relevant facts being that the soldier was obviously beyond hope in a matter of little more than seconds, nobody else was being attacked and any photos or videos taken by onlookers could be used in evidence

Who knows what I or anyone else would have done but from the pictures shown there was time for someone to have done something.

Intelligence research understanding background association with other bodies?

The time for the armed police unit to arrive seems to indicate that they were specially picked to provide a response apart from the usual shoot to kill policy. In that busy part of London any number of armed units could have arrived much earlier, including units from the flying squad, regional crime squads, diplomatic protection and even hurriedly armed officers from the local police station.

Our country needs this trial to stop the suicide terrorists, there is no glory for the two monsters on their way to prison for the rest of their lives, there will be no lake of honey and 40 virgins waiting for them in Belmarsh.

Do you seriously believe it will make even a happorth of difference ?

The trial gives them a platform to voice their misguided views as has been well reported today and will continue for the length of the trial.
They will not be kept in solitary confinement and will eventually mix with the general population in prison.
They will no doubt come into contact with others who are like minded or who could be easily led into similar acts on release.

I think it might. The Jihadists are quite prepared to die for their cause because of the honour it brings to their families and friends, don't they even get government payouts in some Eastern countries? I can't see any honour in being banged up.

And the Home Office is going to make quite sure they will be sent to prisons in Liverpool or Durham where any attempt to indoctrinate fellow prisoners with their nonsense will only get them a bloody nose.

A bullet each and their remains fed to pigs. Lets see how much 'honour' they think that brings.

That is the problem with Democracy - the scrotes get the full panoply of Justice, a defending lawyer to winkle out any/all mistakes by the prosecution and the police. Any mistake will result in a mistrial or they will be found Not Guilty. And then there will be the appeals for the next 30 years.

But this is what our Christian Democracy is all about, giving everyone full and fair trial - irrespective of their actions and guilt - IN THE OPEN.

How many other countries in the Southern Med, Middle East and other areas can actually say that ??

and as to Virgins - they may well be the virgins, for a (very short) while