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plenty of proper made 2.4m channel master dishs for sale here soon ...much better then those cheap thin spray painted flannel dish from brazil ....ops sorry Portugal ....


are you saying you need a smaller dish then the SES diagram shows ...shame on you ... you well know that dish sizes are based on rain attenuation and that you go by the recommendation from SES/EUTELSAT to cope with it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_fade
you do forget that i installed my first satellite dish in 1987 ,and was at the launch party for 1A alongside mr murdoch ...

and you also should know that the side lobes are not going to be the same on 2E ...even if it has not got a SPECIAL BESPOKE REFLECTOR on it ,which i think it has

still waiting for my cost of dishs for MALAGA/GIBRALTAR/ALGARVE ....

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I think I was responding to the inflated / misunderstood prices you quoted (you said 1500 for a 1.9m dish!) And in answer to others questions. No blatent selling or self publicity there - just answering questions and correcting you...(which is taking too much of my time!)

I have no idea what sized dish is actually required for the UK beams in those area - don't cover that area - and even your map you link to does not have that data - and neither do the SES maps. And it will depends which of the dishes perform best...there are a number to choose from. You quoted 3000 for a CM 2.4 (I see according to your map link a 2.4m CM gets 2F on your islands - (strange didn't you say a 5m would be required...?)

But then like I have said, it is very area specific, and you cannot generalise, like so many do, and areas will be better off, others will not, some will have no choice but to go for a iptv / xbmc / filmon system, others may wish to go for satellite, even if it means a large dish. I accept people have a choice between two system, if they can receive one or the other, or depending which they prefer - why cannot you???


However, Oi have seen reports (but cannot find the link for you) of a 1.8m dish installed in Andalucía area (no idea where in Andalucía, so cannot be more specific as I am sure some areas have better reception than others!) working fine with 2F - not referenced on your linked map - I do not know what they paid for it. Also seen references for the same dish working fine in Malaga - again noit shown on your maps. So a few peolkle in that area have already bitten and upgraded. Other are presumably waiting to see about 2E. But you know what the rates for that dish in my area are.

Now there you go again making out I said something that I did not actually say.

Do you not read what others say - are you that blinkered!! I have just said "Although I can receive good signals on my 80cm dish where I am, I would not install it to a client, opting for the slightly larger 90/100cm dish - gives a bit more leeway for the few days rain we have!"

The SES footprint maps show NO data for the UK beam for 2e, 2f, or 2g for Spain. So how the hell can we see what SES / EUTELSAT recommend for Spain for that beam ???

Is that mean to be a good point or a bad point...? :D

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´´ You quoted 3000 for a CM 2.4 (I see according to your map link a 2.4m CM gets 2F on your islands - (strange didn't you say a 5m would be required...?) ´´


ah but we are talking REAL PROPER ANDREWS 2.7M OFFSET here (but they still say ´´ C5's pixellating´´) and NOWT on the 2,4M ANDREWS and both using
INVACOM LNB and HUMAX

none of these people get this on a SKY BOX ...

can i give you a tip ... i would grab those large painted flannel dishs asap ,its a long way and a long time to get the next lot from the factory in brazil..

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I have no idea - I did not install them and I do not know those people personally - only going on the data on the map you provided a link to.....that has people with a 2.4m dish getting 2F...
"2.7m C4 HD fine, C5's pixellating"
"2.4m Channel Master Watchable - some pixellation on C5, ITV Central E & 4Seven fine."
"270cm Laminas offset Humax foxsat PVR Invacom quad LNB"
"2.4m Andrews / CM - LNB - Inverto Black Utra Quad - No reception on 11126V, horizontals ok."

you are not limited to only a Sky box for basic FTA chanenls - other boxes are available...so mentioning that is kindof irrelevant.

No but I feel as if you will anyway...

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Personally I would wait until 2E is operational.
It is too close to things happening to go ahead now.
However, you are armed with the facts of current reception, and the speculation about future reception, so at the end of the day it is your choice.

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these are people who are ´´hams´´ i dont know anyone who ´´watchs´´ TV
ie sky VIEWERS who has got anything ... also these are PROPER DISHS not metal micky brazil ones that are being sold to people now on the mainland - are you using INVACOM LNBS on them - good luck on those supplies holding up - we to had people selling dishs from thailand and other places .... glad we can finally move on into the 21st ....

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from your point of view i would agree with you - however do you think there are 30,000 large dishs LNBS and people to install them ASAP ???

you can take our boxes home in your shopping bag and to be honest can be installed in minutes by mr average .... and with 80,000 waiting to go and production of 50,000 a month ,where will IPTV and DISH TV be by 1/3 ???

ive added 12 more customer just sitting here this pm most in spain but one in canada ...

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Ok, They cant order a dish til Monday so I will sweat on it for the weekend.

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Fair enough but please understand some people just don't want that, me for one.

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From someone who is loving watching the ding-dong on this Ayamonte Club thread being played out but who also has some connection to the Ayamonte area, I have formed opinions about what I intend to do after the anticipated "big bang" next month. They don't necessarily involve IPTV but it might involve installing broadband. I'm thinking of a slingbox solution but I'm also thinking to install a Sky box (I have Freeview) and forego BBC, ITV, C4 etc saving the cost of broadband which I currently receive as a 3G dongle.

However, I think the Guy's recommendation to wait to see what happens is the best advice and I think your sweating over the weekend should lead to the same view. My sixpence worth.

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I do apologise for butting in this area (ayamonte)

the problem is When I moved Mid Oct, was said to be november, now everytime I asked someone, it was to be a 14days after and you can look back on the main thread to see that, then it was December, then Jan and now Feb, if I had just bit the bullet as I wanted instead of being put off (not by the Guy) by local installers, I would have had it for 4 months no problem.

The flip side to is other than Hollyoaks, CBB and a few other prog's I have not actually watched much TV, Ive watched a lot of stand up comedy and films on Netflix etc, a few downloads, a few yank progs on Al Jaz and a bit of Spanish Paramount, MTV and Cuatro which I like, helps with the language etc.

I have not missed any TV really, but I am fed up and sick of the o/h taking all my internet up while she watches continous UK TV, she is away next week so I could ask him to put off a week.

I do miss a bit of Nat Geo and CSI Miami and stuff like that, I am not at all into BBC or ITV, I am happy to watch them if and when needed on catchup in my own time.

Bear in mind it is only the Dish fitting + cable that I would be liable to pay for, I should have just done it.

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Apology accepted. he heh.... :thumbup:

I've being going by an official statement from SES released in early December which said;

"As part of SES’ ongoing fleet renewal programme, we will be transferring all the UK Spot Beam transponders currently operating on ASTRA 1N across to ASTRA 2E. This move at the 28.2/28.5ºEast orbital location will take place over several weeks beginning early February 2014.

The transfer will have no adverse implications for viewers in the UK and Ireland as the affected channels will continue to operate on the same frequencies and will be broadcast at the same, or slightly improved power levels, across the UK and Ireland. TV viewers outside the UK and Ireland may see an impact and may not be able to receive channels from ASTRA 2E UK Spot Beam, which has a smaller footprint than ASTRA 1N.

The new footprint on SES’ replacement fleet has been designed to meet the requirements of UK and Irish broadcasters who target their channels for distribution in the UK and/or Ireland. UK and Irish broadcasters hold broadcasting rights only for the UK and/or Ireland but not for other countries."


Of course there is every chance that the Feb move is delayed. None of us outsiders actually know so yes you're right, it could slip even further.

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I know this is not exactly on topic, but it is relevant

Kogan launches 55-inch 4K TV for £540, could come to UK

Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/k...V0pusmGoK6X.99

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A 4K UHDTV is pretty much a waste of time until someone starts transmitting 4K programs or produces 4K BluRay disks.


They always rely on saying that it will upscale ordinary programs to 4K resolution but that is rubbish as up scaling cannot provide the extra pixels that are needed to give true 4K resolution.

It was the same with BluRay players that said they could turn an ordinary DVD into HD. It does produce a very slight improvement but a HD TV does the up scaling anyway otherwise you would get a small picture on a big screen

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Here's something you might want to consider:

Faced with both contractual and political pressure to ensure that broadcasters take every reasonable measure to ensure their broadcasts are not received outside the geographical boundary limits of both the licence restrictions imposed by content rights owners, and to avoid reception by non residents (TV licence payers), broadcasters are faced with 2 technical choices:

A) encrypt their signals and require cards (as Sky does). This means a very large investment in encryption systems, conditional access cards, a complex subscriber system, and the ongoing costs of managing it. Not to mention backlash from the licence-paying public.

B) Take advantage of more advanced beaming technology being implemented in new satellites replacing those at end of life. The advantage is that Likely near-zero additional cost to the broadcaster, although it will never be possible to "beam" the signal in such a way that the signal will abruptly stop at UK borders. Nonethess it would be enough to satisfy the content licensors' contractual obligations an the political demands of those speaking on behalf of the TV licence paying public.

Bottom line: BBC and several others will be harder to receive the farther they are from the UK, but far from impossible for most. Tenerife? Yes you will probably need a monster dish. We are still receiving everything with a €200 1.5m dish. The new satellite is likely to be more similar to what's already been deployed than somehow dramatically tighter in its beam.

So, yes, you might need a bigger dish, but for many, if you are already receiving the 5's you likely won't need to change anything. Problem solved for the broadcasters, and everyone just carries on...

But you can be sure that rebroadcasting BBC and any other channels who have commercial and political obligations to prevent rebroadcasting outside their contractual and political limits, internet tv, even with all its technical difficulties, will never be without controversy. How that all pans out remains to be seen...

Its probably worth pointing out that Sky is encrypted and doesn't have any need to "tighten" its beam, so Sky subscribers will likely be the least affected.

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BAtm ytou clearly underestmate the knowldege and sophistication of the avregae holida maker these days.
Many are watching UK TV, BBC I player etc on a daily basis, they know all about VPN. We had a 12 year old staying with us watchng swedish TV on his tablet at christmas.
They will have no problems so long as a decent internet speed is available in their location.
Others have suggested the " slingbox solution ".
AS I have reported before , here in the Algarve and no doubt in those areas nearby areas of Spain no one is queueing up to take advantage of what you and others are selling.

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I get UKTV down the internet and its great.. you know we lost most of Sky programes last year..

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Hi
But what internet speed do you get, what cost and what method of delivery? I read that the internet in your area had to be beefed up recently.

Davexf

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We have now got Apple TV up and working and it is great.

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nope its totally on schedule ,but will run over almost three weeks as they are reorganizing the transponders to a more logical and usage as they now have the capacity and can at last eliminate the organic growth .while your there you should add in the statement from the BBC


´´The overspill of the BBC’s services will be reduced so viewers outside the UK will find it even harder to receive them. I know that this causes unhappiness to some of you living outside the UK. However, it is entirely appropriate because the BBC domestic services are for people living in the UK only.´´
Alix Pryde is Director, BBC Distribution

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mmmm i was thinking of those on holiday in the canaries who asked me where they could get a train to malaga,or the ones sitting on my local public transport bus ,telling the driver ´´HOTEL BLANCO MATE ´´....
im sure if the average British tourist was as educated as a 12 year old swede then i would agree with you ...
it has been mentioned to me by the moderator that i am upsetting some people and they have been complaining,so my new policy is not to point out the outdated and in a lot of cases a totally waste of their own money .i sure those wishing to use VPNs can do so even if we in the trade stopped using them some years ago ,or wish to use slingbox as we used to back in the 1990´s...and im sure you will do what within your ´´knowldege´´ (sorry could not resist that :lol::lol::lol:)

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Hello

I have not complained about you and I listen to both sides, I want sat for my TV end of, If I cant get it so be it and I will stick to the options available now or consider others.

People use VPN's for other things as well, national lottery, Betfair, Paypal, eBay and Online banking too just to name a few for example, not just for unblocking TV, Also my main point earlier which, has to be grasped, is that some people have the internet for just that, the internet.

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Hi
I agree - it has got silly with no extra information being added. I would like the option of using whatever is available, but fear that I can not get a sufficiently good internet service where I live (out in the campo).

Davexf

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anyone serious about TV should wait till the 21.9 OLEDs come down in price
16.9 is a system of the past and when broadcasters start UHDTV it will be in 21.9...(and of course 4k)

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/aud...1214076/review

https://youtube.googleapis.com/v/ojZ96JA_qG0&autoplay=1

we tend to use only SHARP monitors and display screen here in CentralControl ..
http://aquos-world.com/4k/en/

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VPNs are OK for those
purposes, but bearing in mine its a criminal offence to claim a UK lottery price by using a VPN to buy the ticket - it is Fraud by false representation -any representation as to fact or law ... express or implied which they know to be untrue or misleading..and is also against the strict laws of spain to do so while on its soil...there is no limit on the amount of time they court ask for the money back .this also apples to using Betfair ...

´´Can I play from overseas?

No, to play UK National Lottery games online, you must be a resident of the UK or Isle of Man at all times. You must also be physically located in the UK or Isle of Man when buying a ticket or when setting up or amending a Direct Debit Account, including changing your numbers and payment details.

If you do not meet these requirements, any ticket purchases you make will be declared invalid and no prizes paid, and we will have the right to reclaim any prizes already paid under these circumstances.

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IPTV works without buffering from 0.7mb ,but with ´´tweeking´´ the input buffer 0.5mb - this is for LIVE TV and the CATCHUP would not work at this time on such a LD service

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John, no one who has a 1m or even a 1.4m (or larger) is going to trade down unless they want their bumps felt - or have been talking to the bloke advertising his business with every post....
So no second hand market, unless someone is trading up from 80cm to larger, but they would be a drag on the local market - where most installers operate, locally. So the price will drop like a stone.

remember, the larger the dish the more electrons will enter and be concentrated into the path of the lnb, so the incoming signal will be stronger. This is a good thing and may well take out the occasional pixelation that can sometimes occur due to atmospheric and weather quirks

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which confirms what I have been saying to you and others for several months. When entering into a Sky contract you agree to the conditions of sale, which are for UK users only. (unless using sky.it which has different rules).
And yet you keep plugging the same old thing, still advertise on your website that you offer sky and also advertise that because of the unique location of the Canaries offer people copyrighted IP intended for the North Africa/Middle East market they are not entitled to. But because of an anomoly of the broadcasting can be picked up outside the region.

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what happened ???
thought you were gone gone gone but you just can't miss the chance of making advertising posts for free whilst stirring up things by being upsetting people - again

You also said on 1st Jun 13 (in a now closed thread)
but oh so many people who have been gulled by such a statement

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sorry are you saying it was my fault that the rocket exploded in russia ???
and the satellites launch was delayed ....

https://youtube.googleapis.com/v/Y7FMs2nQGtM&autoplay=1

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blimy ... lets break this down
1. criminal is criminal you get arrested and put in prison i am 100% against all criminal acts and i am happy to report to the police any such action ...
2. going on what you say (and i totally disagree) a sky contract is just a civil contract between two parties . no one of the 20,000,000 people who have had one has ever been arrested or put in prison,well certainly not during my five years working at BSKYB head office ...
3.SKY GO is sold under ECJ C-403/08 and C-429/08
4.al-jaz football is sold by their agents in the magreb to anyone with a maroc telecom SIM card - its their rules not mine ..

i think you are getting 3 and 4 confused as you cant buy SKY in Casablanca
they speak French

SKY in the UK is owned by BSKYB
SKY ITALIA is owned by 21st century fox..their contact states that it is to be used at the address on the contract (and as it conforms to ECJ rulings has no mention of geographical location )

this idea of cant watch past dover is so old now ... just look at what the real world is doing ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Euroregions




i hope i am being less ´´aggressive´´ in my posts and will purchase some hush puppies for here in CC instead of my standard jackboots

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I have to admit that I admire your sales technique. Presumably you are hoping to sell something to the British Expats? I would never have thought that slagging off Britain and the Brits, calling them ignorant, ill informed, stupid, insular, bad Europeans and worse would improve sales to the British Expats community!

I probably speak for quite a few when I say GET LOST!

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Shows the VPN is our friend, You slag it off as in your earlier post, but you know 100% it damn well it works as it should.

Anyway who said any one was playing they might just want to check the balance on there account, I take it also you never stayed in a Hotel or B&B in UK where you have no internet, so you might take the opportunity to phone a friend.

Once you left the UK not many people care about the wrongs and rights of buying a lottery ticket, we know the consequences, it tells us before we switch the VPN on, its our problem not yours, and its down to said company to make it a issue.

Lets look at it - I put 2.5k on At.Mad to win tonight, then tomo I call betfair and say refund my bet cos its fraudulent, as I was using a VPN from Spain, Like they are going to do that, get real !

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i would think that only 5% of our customers own a computer or a mobile phone that makes more then calls on it ..... i dont expect to sell to anyone on here
i mostly post on here while im at work,and we have a rule no radio/or TV watching in CentralControl so i get bored staring at the MAC portal ..

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im not here to look after your morals ... i was only pointing out the law and the fact i believe criminals should be taken to court ..


VPN were originally designed for a remote member of staff ie a salesman to content into his home office computer via a TUNNEL direct to them ...this is way before laptops ...this is fine when 5 people connect up ...the way i explain it to people is this ....

your driving down a three lane spanish motorway,and its very very buzy because everyone on it is in a british car,wanting to go to ´´BBCland´´ but ahead is a big sign saying ´´´NO ENTRY ´´´,but someone sees that running along site this motorway is a very small country lane ...so ALL THE BRITISH CARS start going down this lane,and the traffic gets slower and slower because it has to much traffic on it ,and slower and slower ....

it matters not how fast your internet is the VPN shrinks it down to the speed that the server you are DIRECTLY hooked up to is running to
EX PAT SHIELD runs 0.1mb on a bad day ..
and if another 30,000 people come on line using your VPN because they have lost there satellite coverage ,how do you think it will do then ..


I looked it up and we stopped using VPNs on our browser 3 years ago ..

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For gods sake man give it a rest.

You sound like the type of salesman that has me heading for the exit within 5 mins of entering the store. :thumbdown:

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Maybe so, but you just advertised blatently again in a (now) deleted post expressly against my previous requests not to :sneaky:

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Should'nt this thread be transferred to Plaza de Toros,on account of all the bulls... being thrown around?

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I don't have a VPN on 100% of the time, only when and if I need it so there is no real effect for me on my service.

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It doesnt matter any more, as it won't be happening again ;):)