Global warming??
Feb 5th 2014, 3:13 am
#407
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Re: Global warming??
Interesting take on this from The Guardian
The grim findings of the IPCC last year reiterated what climatologists have long been telling us: the climate is changing at an unprecedented rate, and we're to blame. Despite the clear scientific consensus, a veritable brigade of self-proclaimed, underinformed armchair experts lurk on comment threads the world over, eager to pour scorn on climate science. Barrages of ad hominem attacks all too often await both the scientists working in climate research and journalists who communicate the research findings.
Feb 5th 2014, 4:25 am
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Re: Global warming??
Well, whatever you may wish to believe about it, I think it's important to collectively realise that our atmosphere is indeed finite.
This little fact in itself leads me to reckon that dumping millions of tons of toxic gases into it for a couple centuries would likely have a measurable impact, and the results of that impact aren't likely to be positive.
Now, whether we can prove that humans are causing climate change is academic. But it occurs to to me that awareness of the potential for severely damaging our finite atmosphere, and limiting our abuses of it is only logical, and an important step to take - whether there's an imminent threat or not. It doesn't really matter who's right or wrong. It's just sensible.
Unfortunately, both sides of the argument have exhibited opportunism, which isn't what it's about, with the exception of employing incentives that render ecological responsibility profitable, and that has a lot to do with public awareness and opinion.
Nothing wrong with being more responsible, me thinks.
This little fact in itself leads me to reckon that dumping millions of tons of toxic gases into it for a couple centuries would likely have a measurable impact, and the results of that impact aren't likely to be positive.
Now, whether we can prove that humans are causing climate change is academic. But it occurs to to me that awareness of the potential for severely damaging our finite atmosphere, and limiting our abuses of it is only logical, and an important step to take - whether there's an imminent threat or not. It doesn't really matter who's right or wrong. It's just sensible.
Unfortunately, both sides of the argument have exhibited opportunism, which isn't what it's about, with the exception of employing incentives that render ecological responsibility profitable, and that has a lot to do with public awareness and opinion.
Nothing wrong with being more responsible, me thinks.
Feb 5th 2014, 5:41 am
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Re: Global warming??
If all these people agree, why do they not do something like getting rid of their cars etc. a few of the pro's on here we're recently posting about the virtues of Xmas lights in Spain
Feb 5th 2014, 5:57 am
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Re: Global warming??
Feb 5th 2014, 5:58 am
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Re: Global warming??
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Feb 5th 2014, 5:59 am
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Feb 5th 2014, 6:41 am
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Re: Global warming??
Accepting it's happening is the first step. If people can't even agree on who or what is to blame how do you expect them to agree on a solution? Is it honestly such a stretch of reality for you to think that the oil companies might just have a vested interest in this that is greater than anyone else's could ever be?
Feb 5th 2014, 6:59 am
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Re: Global warming??
I work outside and it's glaringly obvious that things are changing. So far, this year, not one nights worth of ground frost, last year, a foot of snow.
Feb 5th 2014, 7:10 am
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Re: Global warming??
Jo, look love, you're out of you're depth. Just because I've not seen a single nights frost this winter is not me shouting global warming, it's me saying the weather is screwed up. If I want to say something I'll say something, if I don't I won't and no one is going to put words in my mouth, least of all YOU!
Feb 5th 2014, 8:29 am
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Re: Global warming??
Jo, look love, you're out of you're depth. Just because I've not seen a single nights frost this winter is not me shouting global warming, it's me saying the weather is screwed up. If I want to say something I'll say something, if I don't I won't and no one is going to put words in my mouth, least of all YOU!
Feb 5th 2014, 8:40 am
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Re: Global warming??
Really? Last November the frost was awful fierce, pretty much until the end of Feb, same as last year, and the one previous. When I was in the backwater of Dartmoor one of the old wankers who'd lived there all his life said he'd never seen weather like they had seen..... But I'm sure it's just cyclical....
Feb 5th 2014, 8:51 am
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Re: Global warming??
Just because now in the uk we have frostless evenings and heavy rain, after a winter
that broke all records, doesnt throw weight for or against global warming.
The great freeze of the 62/63 was followed also by a frostless year in some parts,
including floods in other areas.Not forgetting the theme is Global Warming, this year in the Usa they had over known bad winter areas the coldest days ever recorded.
Where then are the balanced statistics proving one where one should lean this or that way.
Plus what happens weather wise in ones own life is not long enough to judge or opinionate on. ONE can analyse past records, but even there ,different factions, Universities around the globe have produced contradicting analyse and stats, proving or disproving man's effect/impact on global warming.
That the earth is experiencing a warmer cycle and over several thousand years icecap patterns analyse that there has been a decline in icemass especially over the last 10-20 years, is has taken.That said , is it just a natural cycle in the earths 4 + billion years history.
All I know is I am missing the snow in Germany....I blame the aliens.
that broke all records, doesnt throw weight for or against global warming.
The great freeze of the 62/63 was followed also by a frostless year in some parts,
including floods in other areas.Not forgetting the theme is Global Warming, this year in the Usa they had over known bad winter areas the coldest days ever recorded.
Where then are the balanced statistics proving one where one should lean this or that way.
Plus what happens weather wise in ones own life is not long enough to judge or opinionate on. ONE can analyse past records, but even there ,different factions, Universities around the globe have produced contradicting analyse and stats, proving or disproving man's effect/impact on global warming.
That the earth is experiencing a warmer cycle and over several thousand years icecap patterns analyse that there has been a decline in icemass especially over the last 10-20 years, is has taken.That said , is it just a natural cycle in the earths 4 + billion years history.
All I know is I am missing the snow in Germany....I blame the aliens.
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Feb 5th 2014, 8:59 am
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