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paintermujer Jul 22nd 2010 1:00 am

Re: Gibraltar Frontier
 

Originally Posted by Emma-Louise (Post 8720150)
They never claim to be completely crime free... I think we should be proud of the RGP (not to be confused with the other police unit, the ones that can only be trusted to control the airfield barriers :) ).....

Have you any idea how many people pass through Gib everyday, plus 32,000 residents!

They deal with dead bodies constantly being washed up on the shores, the Spanish police teasing them constantly in their waters, drug smuggling, cig smuggling, nuclear submarines, numerous road accidents, pick pockets, drunk drivers (mostly Brits! not Janitos or Spanish), an airport, a border crossing etc etc etc!

The RGP has many officers that get sent to the UK for training, they are trained to a very high standard, if and when they are needed those officers would be deployed and would do a very good job! Prime example; October 2008, the Fedra (the container ship that crashed into Europa point during the storms), 31 people saved! If you visit Europa point, look down and try and imagine how the hell they saved those peoples lives!

The Gib riots were due to the RGP's plan to confiscate all speedboats and RIBs overnight, in one night! there were 3 days of rioting but it worked and the smuggling was reduced! they are not afraid to make a statement when it is necessary!

There is no knife crime in Gib, where the UK and Spain both have huge problems in this area!

Plus many issues are dealt with behind the scenes and away from the public eye.....

Before I get the negativity from you lot, Yes there will be things that aren't perfect, but they are only human! But all in all they do a bloody good job!

Good post.

Gib isnt perfect but its better than lots of other places.

I can never understand why people are so neg about it.

I love the place.

Fredbargate Jul 22nd 2010 1:11 am

Re: Gibraltar Frontier
 

Originally Posted by Rotor (Post 8720101)
:rofl:Youd have to be pretty dim to carry out a robbery in Gib ,


Some years ago one of the local braindeads tried to rob " I believe it was the Western Union office " in Irish town.

He walked in wearing no mask and was greeted by the staff using his first name as he was known to them all.

ballin Jul 22nd 2010 7:07 pm

Re: Gibraltar Frontier
 

Originally Posted by paintermujer (Post 8720170)
Good post.

Gib isnt perfect but its better than lots of other places.

I can never understand why people are so neg about it.

I love the place.

Probably because you don't live anywhere near it. And bigging up the RGP? Really?! Those jobsworths couldn't catch a cold.

Emma-Louise Jul 22nd 2010 11:58 pm

Re: Gibraltar Frontier
 

Originally Posted by ballin (Post 8722253)
Probably because you don't live anywhere near it. And bigging up the RGP? Really?! Those jobsworths couldn't catch a cold.

I know that you will enter Gibraltar for your own gain..... whether it be for work, for ciggies, the airport, for Morrisons or to take people to visit the apes, Gib will help you in some way!

The RGP do a fine job and I think that you should be ashamed of yourself for saying otherwise. They are up against it funding-wise as are most forces but all things considered they do well!

Apart from my previous examples, have you ever ventured off the beaten track in Gib? Seen the council-esque estates, do you think they are easy to police? Young people that cannot see a future for themselves causing havoc!

The RGP along with the Spanish police are much more aware than people believe, and that suits them just fine!

jimenato Jul 27th 2010 1:11 am

Re: Gibraltar Frontier
 
More detail of La Linea mayor's ideas for a congestion charge. It'll never happen...

http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=19599


Mayor Alejandro Sanchez has declared there are numerous examples of congestion charges levied on motorists across Europe that have existed for years, similar to his proposed toll system at the frontier.

In a statement Sr Sanchez yesterday insisted on his idea of charging “the millions of visitors” transiting La Linea to cross the frontier into Gibraltar each year, allegedly to “compensate for the detrimental effects suffered by La Linea for being located beside Gibraltar.”


The Mayor said there were sound economic, environmental and heritage reasons for this and pointed to the London Congestion Charge as an example of a charge already in existence.

Meanwhile Sr Sanchez reiterated that the 5,000 Spanish workers in Gibraltar would be exempted from the measure.

Rotor Jul 27th 2010 2:44 am

Re: Gibraltar Frontier
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 8731865)
More detail of La Linea mayor's ideas for a congestion charge. It'll never happen...

http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=19599

I do see his point and would not mind paying so long as I could get in and out quicker!

Ive always said England should do it with the whinging jocks who use our roads to get to europe:rofl: and the Welsh and Irish:rofl::rofl:

jdr Jul 27th 2010 5:23 am

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Originally Posted by Rotor (Post 8732073)
I do see his point and would not mind paying so long as I could get in and out quicker!

Ive always said England should do it with the whinging jocks who use our roads to get to europe:rofl: and the Welsh and Irish:rofl::rofl:

:rofl:

jimenato Jul 27th 2010 7:45 am

Re: Gibraltar Frontier
 

Originally Posted by Rotor (Post 8732073)
I do see his point and would not mind paying so long as I could get in and out quicker!

Ive always said England should do it with the whinging jocks who use our roads to get to europe:rofl: and the Welsh and Irish:rofl::rofl:

:thumbsup:

Fredbargate Jul 30th 2010 8:52 pm

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http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=19632

elspeth sinclair Jul 31st 2010 2:51 am

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I can't imagine rich foreigners living in La linea. I remember it in the early60's when I had the misfortune to have to sleep in a cheap pension there and had to barricade the door of the room with the five beds as the door didn't lock and the handle was rattling most of the night. It was a real frontier town in those days just like a black and white cowboy film. A smugglers paradise lots of corruption, poverty and vice but an experience not to be missed.

Fredbargate Aug 3rd 2010 7:53 pm

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http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=19655

jimenato Aug 3rd 2010 8:19 pm

Re: Gibraltar Frontier
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 8751535)



"Alejandro Sánchez is going to pass into history as the mayor who destroyed our good relations with our neighbours in Gibraltar," said secretary general of the PSOE party in La Linea.

"We want to live in harmony with Gibraltar," she added.

"These measures proposed by the mayor are absurd and possibly even illegal."

As for the toll plan and the current tense atmosphere in cross-border relations at grass roots, he said Sr Sánchez was generating unnecessary conflict.

"I hope your boss in Gibraltar, who is more intelligent than this gentleman [for Sánchez], doesn't take all this too seriously," he told Gibraltar reporters in La Linea yesterday.

"The proper place to talk about these issues is the forum for dialogue, which is why we have it."

He described the toll plan as a "childish" and "absurd" plan, one designed to distract attention from La Linea's dire situation.
These worker chaps give me the impression of being very sensible and the mayor of being a bit of a twerp.

Fredbargate Aug 3rd 2010 9:26 pm

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Spanish workers worry that Gibraltar could react if Mayor goes ahead with toll

by PANORAMA reporter
There are Spanish workers in Gibraltar who are beginning to worry about the negative consequences for them if the La Linea mayor goes ahead with his plans for a toll to enter Gibraltar.

There could be a reaction which could conceivably affect jobs here, while a local employer has suggested that if there are to be too many problems at the frontier he would have to think about firing his La Linea staff and employing people from Algeciras, who could come over in the ferry.
In a radio debate in La Linea it was said that Gibraltar is not a problem, like the mayor says, but instead it is a solution to the many problems faced by the Spanish border town.

It is said that around 6,000 Spaniards draw their wages in Gibraltar, but La Linea's income from Gibraltar does not end there, as there are many Gibraltar residents who buy goods in different businesses in La Linea - and what about bars, restaurants etc, etc.

NEW ACCESS PLAN
Meanwhile, the mayor has instructed the municipal police to prepare a new access plan to Gibraltar, as well as a pay kiosk to collect the toll. Present traffic flow arrangements are expected to be affected.
It is not for the police to determine if the toll is legal or not, said a council spokesman.

The new arrangements could be in place in a week or so.
However, there is strong opposition to it in La Linea itself. It is considered to be a crazy idea, to make a payment in one country to be allowed to enter another country.

EsuriJohn Aug 3rd 2010 9:45 pm

Re: Gibraltar Frontier
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 8751679)
Spanish workers worry that Gibraltar could react if Mayor goes ahead with toll

by PANORAMA reporter
There are Spanish workers in Gibraltar who are beginning to worry about the negative consequences for them if the La Linea mayor goes ahead with his plans for a toll to enter Gibraltar.

There could be a reaction which could conceivably affect jobs here, while a local employer has suggested that if there are to be too many problems at the frontier he would have to think about firing his La Linea staff and employing people from Algeciras, who could come over in the ferry.
In a radio debate in La Linea it was said that Gibraltar is not a problem, like the mayor says, but instead it is a solution to the many problems faced by the Spanish border town.

It is said that around 6,000 Spaniards draw their wages in Gibraltar, but La Linea's income from Gibraltar does not end there, as there are many Gibraltar residents who buy goods in different businesses in La Linea - and what about bars, restaurants etc, etc.

NEW ACCESS PLAN
Meanwhile, the mayor has instructed the municipal police to prepare a new access plan to Gibraltar, as well as a pay kiosk to collect the toll. Present traffic flow arrangements are expected to be affected.
It is not for the police to determine if the toll is legal or not, said a council spokesman.

The new arrangements could be in place in a week or so.
However, there is strong opposition to it in La Linea itself. It is considered to be a crazy idea, to make a payment in one country to be allowed to enter another country.

Don't know about that. When you enter Spain on the motorway from France in the west just before Irun there is a short length perhaps 500m and you pay a toll of about €1.50 most odd.

Fredbargate Aug 3rd 2010 10:03 pm

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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 8751720)
Don't know about that. When you enter Spain on the motorway from France in the west just before Irun there is a short length perhaps 500m and you pay a toll of about €1.50 most odd.

I would imagine that there are alternatives to this toll road.

Gibraltar only has one entry/exit road


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