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I thought this was old news, I am sure they did this a few months ago, till I read the date.

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Appalling whereas all the Brits living in Spain were cheering for their adopted country the Gibraltarian youth behave like this. They should be ashamed.

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:confused: Did you read the right story ?
I dont think the Mayor is a Gibraltarian youth. :)

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Hmm... not the same story - this one is about problems at the border during the World Cup final I guess. I have heard about this - where did you read this Chiclanagir?

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Not quite sure if I understand your post correctly jimenato??

My post is in reference to events at the frontier yesterday Friday ( possibly Thursday as well ) and has nothing to do with the recent football hooliganism.

http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=19520

However on Thursday just before noon I was driving from La Linea towards San Roque, the frontier queue started at the Puente Mayorga roundabout which is 5 km from the frontier. The queue was single file from that roundabout up to the La Linea seafront and then became a double queue, i.e. both lanes of the dual carriageway. This of course also blocked access into La Linea.
The other West side access to La Linea is through the industrial estate this was also jammed solid from the Puente Mayorga roundabout.
I have no idea what the situation was on the Eastern access, but feel it was similar.
These queues are being caused by commercial traffic of which there is an abundance at the moment and by the Feria and of course the usual deliberate political action.
However by blocking to this extent they are also causing havoc both to the residents and businesses of La Linea as well as the frontier.

I believe it is called shooting oneself in the foot.

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I have some sympathy for the residents of La Linea. They seem to have all the hassle of people going into Gib but reap very little in money terms, just a few parking fees. Maybe the Mayor should declare the dual carriageway a toll road and charge 1 euro per car:D

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Yes - I read your border congestion article but it appears that Chiclanagir had read something entirely different - about football hooliganism - an article which I would also like to read. :confused:

About the border congestion, we drove in on Thursday at about the time you were driving out. We spotted the queue at Puente Mayorga and took a left into the industrial estate to avoid it. There is indeed a queue there but it is caused by some roadworks and isn't associated with the border. We then joined the seafront where the entire right hand lane was filled with stationary lorries. We drove past that lot and got to the border quite easily in the end. I thought it must have had something to do with the feria. No problem at all getting out two hours later and the lorries had gone.

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It's a funny old place isn't it? I reckon they don't do too badly out of their proximity to Gib - a lot of them work there and a lot of fairly wealthy 'foreigners' have bought apartments there and spend their money there. And I reckon that the 'just a few parking fees' probably adds up to quite a bit.

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Apologies one and all, got the two stories muddled up. Got mine from
www.cadiznews.co.uk. Sorry.

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Thanks jimenato
You obviously saw more on thursday than I did

I was in Gib on Friday and the place came to a halt mid afternoon.
The Police released me :o at 1-30 and I went home for a quick clean up,witnessing the Policia Locals paper checks after the frontier.
I then returned for a meeting at 3-30 and met a friend in Marina Bay who had taken 30 mins to get from Morisson's to Marina Bay on a motor scooter. I stopped in a bar until 6-30 and then drove out on empty streets.

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Hi Chiclanagir
The Gib Chronicle reported the event as :-
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=19474


Which is very similar to the Cadiz News report who's link does not work :confused:

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this one does

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Agree that quite a lot of La Linea residents work in Gib but where would "fairly wealthy foreigners" buy in La Linea? Can't think of anywhere. I would have thought they'd buy in San Roque/Sotogrande?

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Today's headline from Gibraltar Chronicle:
'La Linea economy in collapse - DESPERATE LA LINEA MAYOR ORDERS ROAD BLOCKS AT GIB EXIT ‘TO PRESSURE MADRID’
From El Mundo: 'La Guardia Civil retira su vigilancia de aguas españolas en Gibraltar'.
It almost seems like two different countries...
Oh, right!

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Lenox

By today you mean Saturday :thumbup:

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It is a little surprising isn't it? But I do know two extremely wealthy Brits (who live in Gib) who each own several properties in La Linea.

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I doubt they live there though, probably renting out

Prior to the frontier closing in 1969 there were many wealthy Gibraltarians living in Campamento, today they live in Sotogrande

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Today from http://www.panorama.gi/

Moratinos calls La Linea mayor to Madrid talks as Gibraltar frontier is used like a political football in Spain

by PANORAMA reporter
Sanchez says he will stage 'protest walk' from the frontier to the Spanish Govt offices in Algeciras

The mayor of La Linea Alejandro Sanchez has been invited to attend a meeting in Madrid with the Spanish foreign minister Miguel Angel Moratinos to consider the problems faced by the border town.

Coincidentally, the meeting is for Wednesday, which is when the tripartite talks at technical level are due to take place in Gibraltar.

Sanchez said last week that anyone who thinks that the tripartite talks will go well, would be making a mistake. He will call for measures to help La Linea, which he does not want to become a suburb 'of Monaco', which is how he sees Gibraltar.

It is expected that Sanchez will follow up his blocking of access into Spain, as he did the other day, with new measures aimed at the trilateral meeting.

If it were not for Gibraltar, La Linea would unfortunately have more than the 10,000 unemployed it has at present. There are about 7,000 registered frontier workers in Gibraltar, largely Spaniards, plus the many who cross daily who are not registered or who undertake all kinds of revenue-earning activities in Gibraltar, such as selling and setting up kitchens, fitted bedroom furniture etc, all of which represents an important source of income for La Linea.

THREATS

While Sanchez has been making his threatening noises, warning of a series of 'stern measures', there continue in La Linea street protests about council workers not being paid their wages. The council ('ayuntamiento') is the main employer there but clearly it does not have the necessary income to meet wages and other expenses.

Behind it all, there is an ongoing confrontation between the mayor, who belongs to the PP, and others who belong to the socialist PSOE. The secretary-general of the PSOE in La Linea has accused Sanchez of 'demagoguery', while the unions claim the mayor is not telling the truth.

Sanchez said it is 'inadmissible and intolerable' that Gibraltar is benefiting from the opportunities that have arisen "while La Linea is in a state of abandonment which, he says, he will not allow for another minute. It's now or never."

A strong view in Gibraltar is that the mayor should stop blaming Gibraltar for his problems, when in fact he should be grateful for the wealth La Linea receives from the Rock, and instead should try and foment benefits for his citizens.

WALK

Sanchez has now announced that in his action plan is a 'protest walk' from the frontier to the Spanish Government offices in Algeciras, where he will read a communique, asking the Spanish Government to help La Linea. His idea of walking all the way to Algeciras is to promote public interest in his campaign.

The Gibraltar Government said last week: "The mayor of La Linea must find means of conducting domestic politics with his central government that does not involve instructing his police to harass Gibraltarians."

19-07-10

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It's chaos at the moment, spanish cars are being attacked in Gibraltar, and Gibbo cars being attacked in Spain. Same with the people, quite a few stabbings in Spain, and rocks being thrown (one lady had her head cracked open)....back on the other side there was a rape by Ocean Village, so much for crime free Gibraltar! (of course you expect this in La Linea more!)

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How about this one:
El Mundo.
El Ayuntamiento de La Línea estudia cobrar peaje a los turistas que van a Gibraltar
(El pago será excluyente para los trabajadores españoles en el Peñón)
The La Linea town hall considers a toll-road for visitors to Gib - although Spanish workers there won't have to pay it.

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Perhaps if they sacked most of their staff, encouraged the rest to work and stopped putting money in their personal offshore accounts they could make the books balance.:ohmy:

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Just to be clear the reported rape was by arabs not Spanish....

Since when was Gibraltar ever crime free! There was fun and games just this morning on the high street!

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http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=19544


From 1969 until 1982 with the frontier closed it was relatively crime free

http://www.gbc.gi/news/news-world.php?headline=1

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Attempted armed robbery in Main Street

A Spaniard, 44, has been arrested by Gibraltar police in an attempted robbery in a shop in the Main Street. The northern part of Main Street was sealed and shops closed, while police negotiated with an armed man.
Armed police descended onto Main Street following the police being alerted.The Swarovski shop was the scene of the incident.
The man is due to appear in court Wednesday. A full criminal investigation is being carried out by police.

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if i was in gib,as the headline said,i would have been with those guys sticking the finger up,ofc when i would have seen the rgc i would have gone back to the pub

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I agree, but if you read anything online about Gibraltar they still try and claim it, laughable really!

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Sensationalfrog what do you mean? What guys sticking their fingers up, sorry I don't understand your post....

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:rofl:Youd have to be pretty dim to carry out a robbery in Gib , where are you going to run to? the border or swim to Morocco with a bag of ugly glass crap:rofl:

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They never claim to be completely crime free... I think we should be proud of the RGP (not to be confused with the other police unit, the ones that can only be trusted to control the airfield barriers :) ).....

Have you any idea how many people pass through Gib everyday, plus 32,000 residents!

They deal with dead bodies constantly being washed up on the shores, the Spanish police teasing them constantly in their waters, drug smuggling, cig smuggling, nuclear submarines, numerous road accidents, pick pockets, drunk drivers (mostly Brits! not Janitos or Spanish), an airport, a border crossing etc etc etc!

The RGP has many officers that get sent to the UK for training, they are trained to a very high standard, if and when they are needed those officers would be deployed and would do a very good job! Prime example; October 2008, the Fedra (the container ship that crashed into Europa point during the storms), 31 people saved! If you visit Europa point, look down and try and imagine how the hell they saved those peoples lives!

The Gib riots were due to the RGP's plan to confiscate all speedboats and RIBs overnight, in one night! there were 3 days of rioting but it worked and the smuggling was reduced! they are not afraid to make a statement when it is necessary!

There is no knife crime in Gib, where the UK and Spain both have huge problems in this area!

Plus many issues are dealt with behind the scenes and away from the public eye.....

Before I get the negativity from you lot, Yes there will be things that aren't perfect, but they are only human! But all in all they do a bloody good job!

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Good post.

Gib isnt perfect but its better than lots of other places.

I can never understand why people are so neg about it.

I love the place.

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Some years ago one of the local braindeads tried to rob " I believe it was the Western Union office " in Irish town.

He walked in wearing no mask and was greeted by the staff using his first name as he was known to them all.

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Probably because you don't live anywhere near it. And bigging up the RGP? Really?! Those jobsworths couldn't catch a cold.

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I know that you will enter Gibraltar for your own gain..... whether it be for work, for ciggies, the airport, for Morrisons or to take people to visit the apes, Gib will help you in some way!

The RGP do a fine job and I think that you should be ashamed of yourself for saying otherwise. They are up against it funding-wise as are most forces but all things considered they do well!

Apart from my previous examples, have you ever ventured off the beaten track in Gib? Seen the council-esque estates, do you think they are easy to police? Young people that cannot see a future for themselves causing havoc!

The RGP along with the Spanish police are much more aware than people believe, and that suits them just fine!

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More detail of La Linea mayor's ideas for a congestion charge. It'll never happen...

http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=19599

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I do see his point and would not mind paying so long as I could get in and out quicker!

Ive always said England should do it with the whinging jocks who use our roads to get to europe:rofl: and the Welsh and Irish:rofl::rofl:

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:rofl:

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:thumbsup:

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I can't imagine rich foreigners living in La linea. I remember it in the early60's when I had the misfortune to have to sleep in a cheap pension there and had to barricade the door of the room with the five beds as the door didn't lock and the handle was rattling most of the night. It was a real frontier town in those days just like a black and white cowboy film. A smugglers paradise lots of corruption, poverty and vice but an experience not to be missed.