Isn't Umbrage where the Archers was set?

Monty Python's Election Night Special: Arthur Negus has held Bristols. That's not a result, that's a bit of gossip....Mary Whitehouse has just taken umbrage. Could it be a bit of trouble there.

But Spain is a foreign culture to us Brits and if I was aiming at Australians I may have just had the sense to put it under Australia. It could be just about any culture, anywhere in the world however.....
I put it under Spain so that anyone but an idiot (read into that what you will) might think it was aimed at the Ex pats in Spain.

It wouldn't allow me to change the title as I have already explained to you once.

Me thinks you and a couple of others on here just like taking a pop and trying to be clever, carry on by all means, it's quite entertaining and hurts me not, it simply shows your selves up for what you are

Sorry forgot this one too..

You mean you read only half a post then take a pop?

Don't worry I have found already in my short time posting here, that you're not alone in reading only what you want to and taking pops.

If you start threads with such sweeping statements as ".. Britain has lost its identity" then I'm afraid you are gonna get opinions you don't really like... sorry.

Gosh another one who invents things.....

Who said I don't like the opinions here? Don't be sorry, Show me an example please.

Maybe you mean my opinion of the opinion made about me rather than my post? That I wasn't keen on no, and it was out of order.

I'm interested to see everyone's opinion but not so keen on them taking petty pops just to try and be clever though.

In fact I actually said in my OP.. " I THINK".. Britain has lost its identity" , there is a huge difference to your half statement above.

Wow, what a condescending post to the Spanish population. I just love it when we are treated as slightly simple. The way of life you describe happened all over europe a few years ago, even in the villages in the UK, it wasnt enough for them, why do you think that is should be enough for us?

Obviously there should be no budding Richard Bransons and such in Spain, they should all be contented to drink milk from the family cow and have no further aspirations than to eat a fresh duck egg every day.

What a nice slap in the face for all the Spanish students who are working their way through UNI and such. It seems you are a follower of chairman Maos thinking, or you are now, now that you have made enough money to be able to relocate and live in a foreign country,

And while we are it it, what luxuries are you talking about? Could it be a car, hot running water, washing machine, mobile?
Are these the things you are SERIOUSLY advocating that the Spanish youth give up, before they all go to hell in a hand cart? GET REAL.



It really gets my goat when "incomers" think they know whats best for the local population. They dont want progress, they would rather things remained quaint and "typically Spanish", usually for one of 2 reasons. Fisrt is they can be reminded everyday that they escaped the ratrace, and secondly so that they can brag to the folks back home about the "cute" little customs of the locals.

Hi Jo, thank you for treating us like rational people and not a species apart or whatever.

The Spanish are as entitled as any other nation to move with the times and do. It may not be how expats want to live, but its not their decision. Its strange that on one hand the world is trying to bring all those third world countries into the modern world and give them the luxuries that the rest of the world has (clean running water, hospitals, electricity....) but when it comes to Spain, they want time to stop and for them to live in an uneconomic and backward way (No, I'm not saying that Spain is a third world country BTW!!), to keep it as a living museum! It cant happen, Spain is part of Europe and as such will move with the times and why shouldnt it????? It may not be everyones view and that may not be why people come to live in Spain, but thats how it is!

It is often said that expats shouldnt come to Spain and try to change it, but nor should they come to Spain and try to keep it the same

Jo xxx

I've probably done this quote wrong.Apologies if so. Quote forms part of a longer post by JLFS

JLFS You do seem to like this word "incomers" and use it regularly.
Is it a put down? How is it any different from the word immigrants? Do you consider yourself an incomer?

For your info:
incomer a person who comes to live in a place in which he was not born
immigrant a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.

I still think they are two words with pretty much the same meaning as used by JLFS. Unless the first one is being applied where people are moving specifically within the country, Sorry if I'm being dense, but can you explain the niceties of this for me.

You may not be dense but perhaps obtuse .

incomer is someone who comes to live in a place whilst immigrant is someone who comes to a country with the intention of permanent residence.

The explanation by missile is perfect.

It is what you are, it is not a put down, but it is what you will always be seen as, just like everyone else, depending on where they live in Spain


When I talk about an incomer that is what I mean, they were not born there.
And for all your understanding of the Spanish mentality Angie, I think you should understand that the Locals dont like people, not only foreigners, but anyone not born in the area, to stick their oar in in a too obvious way.
wether they are British or Spanish from the next town, you are an incomer.
I would be regarded as in incomer in Andalucia, but not an immigrant.

An incomer also sees life with new eyes and may find the lack of services, public transport, etc as quaint and choose to live there because of the"idylic lifestyle".
The locals might not see it that way.
The old orange grower with hardly any riding his donkey teeth, may have novelty value, non materialistic way of life may seem heaven on earth, but if that was said to most of the younger generation by an incomer the would find it equally as galling coming from someone form New York, Frankfurt of MADRID, because they are all incomer.

This seems to be a parralell thread with the another that is running right now, which is basically brought down to the opinion that some posters have, that the peasants should be kept as peasants, for their quaintness and novelty value.

They dont realise that the younger Spanish want to be like the rest of the world, and have it all, right or wrong, its their choice.

Well put JLFS

I was amazed when on a visit my mother expressed a view that spain was no longer a backward country. I was shocked and very pleased that none of my spanish friends heard her say that

Yes, a forastero but not an extranjero!

Talk about overlooking the obvious!!!!!!

Why couldnt I think of that explanation?

Thanks for the Spanish lesson, ha ha. cheers