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Old Oct 1st 2011 | 1:07 am
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Originally Posted by scampicat
What's a phrasal verb?
Phrasal verbs are usually a verb with a preposition and has a meaning totally different to the literal meaning verb alone.

look after, look up (as ina dictionary) put up with, piss off ,do in (kill) are just some examples.

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Old Oct 1st 2011 | 1:18 am
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Originally Posted by evamar
When you have a verb and then a preposition. Problem is that the preoposition completely changes the meaning the verb would have with another one. Most of them make no sense in Spanish, and some are completely the opposite a Spaniard would use.

That is one of the most difficult things to learn in English for a non native.
Like "catch up" or "run out".

Is it a bit like "matar a" in Spanish?

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Old Oct 1st 2011 | 1:42 am
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Originally Posted by jimenato
Like "catch up" or "run out".

Is it a bit like "matar a" in Spanish?
Catch up and run out are phrasal verbs.

Matar a - is not.
 
Old Oct 1st 2011 | 1:47 am
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Originally Posted by scampicat
What's a phrasal verb?
me!! me!!!

I know!!! I know!!

things like run into, and show up - where the addition of another word (preposition or adverb) changes the meaning of the verb






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Originally Posted by lynnxa
me!! me!!!

I know!!! I know!!

things like run into, and show up - where the addition of another word (preposition or adverb) changes the meaning of the verb

aren't you glad you asked
Believe me, I'm NOT glad I had to study them! So many years and I'm still making mistakes!

But, other than that your verbs and grammar are very easy, so I cannot really complain.
 
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Originally Posted by evamar
Believe me, I'm NOT glad I had to study them! So many years and I'm still making mistakes!

But, other than that your verbs and grammar are very easy, so I cannot really complain.
the thing is - not many native English speakers have a clue about grammar to that level

we just 'do it' without knowing all the terms
 
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Originally Posted by jimenato
Like "catch up" or "run out".

Is it a bit like "matar a" in Spanish?
The 'a' is when the direct object of the verb is a person.

I remember one of the first sentances in the Hugo book I was studying all those years ago was ' ¿Que hombre no ama A su madre?'
 
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Originally Posted by lynnxa
the thing is - not many native English speakers have a clue about grammar to that level

we just 'do it' without knowing all the terms
Lots of people (Spanish, British and from anywhere) haven't got a clue about grammar, they simply speak their language.

It makes it quite difficult to learn a second one, as they do teach a lot of grammar you don't know in your own... subject? verb? adjective? what's that???

When I was learning in Spain I had a language teacher who used to throw anything handy if you made "silly" mistakes... I hated to get the duster on my face, but I did learn grammar! (I also learned to duck quickly and let the duster hit the pupil sat behind me!)
 
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Originally Posted by lynnxa
the thing is - not many native English speakers have a clue about grammar to that level

we just 'do it' without knowing all the terms
It's ridiculous that grammar and punctuation aren't taught as subjects in their own right.
 
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It's ridiculous that grammar and punctuation aren't taught as subjects in their own right.
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Originally Posted by bil
It's ridiculous that grammar and punctuation aren't taught as subjects in their own right.
I seem to remember that they were, when I took my English GCE 55 years ago!

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Originally Posted by bil
It's ridiculous that grammar and punctuation aren't taught as subjects in their own right.
We were taught English Language which included grammar and all - mind you I did go to a Grammar School. We were not taught English Literature at all.
 
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Thanks for that. I actually got a Grade one for my GCE English Language (in the days when they taught grammar). I seem to have forgottenall of it!
 
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Originally Posted by jimenato
We were taught English Language which included grammar and all - mind you I did go to a Grammar School. We were not taught English Literature at all.
I got taught grammar, punctuation, how to precis, all that stuff.
 
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I got taught grammar, punctuation, how to precis, all that stuff.
Yes, so did I.
 


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