Demolition is proving difficult
Oct 11th 2013, 4:29 pm
#106
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
Although one local Correador has been charged. It was like the wild west!http://www.diariosur.es/v/20131010/m...-20131010.html
Oct 11th 2013, 4:31 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
You were talking about all lawyers being bent, meaning that it must be institutionalised. It may be so in pockets of the South where there has been overdevelopment, but its probably limited to that and the odd exception
You cant blame all lawyers any more than you can blame all rich people for the economic crisis
Personally I blame those who encourage the poorest and most vulnerable people in society to gamble all their money away so that they can stay at home and take the moral high ground on internet forums
You cant blame all lawyers any more than you can blame all rich people for the economic crisis
Personally I blame those who encourage the poorest and most vulnerable people in society to gamble all their money away so that they can stay at home and take the moral high ground on internet forums
Oct 11th 2013, 4:38 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
As a now retired lawyer I am keeping well away from this question of bent lawyers. They do exist so do bent pins! It is not an exclusive club Me Me and whilst I have seen some of your emails on other subjects and with which I agree I do not agree as to lawyers.
However what I say is that the UK is better positioned than Spain to deal with them and deal with them they do. Barristers not so much for they investigate themselves.
Spain is unique and the boom brought problems Me Me the problem occurs earlier when anyone's Mens Rea tells them to do something that is illegal. Not when they are caught. There is no going back
However what I say is that the UK is better positioned than Spain to deal with them and deal with them they do. Barristers not so much for they investigate themselves.
Spain is unique and the boom brought problems Me Me the problem occurs earlier when anyone's Mens Rea tells them to do something that is illegal. Not when they are caught. There is no going back
Oct 11th 2013, 4:47 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
As a now retired lawyer I am keeping well away from this question of bent lawyers. They do exist so do bent pins! It is not an exclusive club Me Me and whilst I have seen some of your emails on other subjects and with which I agree I do not agree as to lawyers.
However what I say is that the UK is better positioned than Spain to deal with them and deal with them they do. Barristers not so much for they investigate themselves.
Spain is unique and the boom brought problems Me Me the problem occurs earlier when anyone's Mens Rea tells them to do something that is illegal. Not when they are caught. There is no going back
However what I say is that the UK is better positioned than Spain to deal with them and deal with them they do. Barristers not so much for they investigate themselves.
Spain is unique and the boom brought problems Me Me the problem occurs earlier when anyone's Mens Rea tells them to do something that is illegal. Not when they are caught. There is no going back
I do not mean to say that all lawyers are bent at all, in the Uk and in Spain we have had god dealings with lawyers, but when things go wrong with paperwork that is the lawyers responsibility, and public liability insurance should come into play so the client does not lose out, which is what happens in Spain.
I did not mean to give that impression.
Oct 11th 2013, 4:50 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
Why is it that those who keep pointing the finger at lawyers continue to ignore the involvment of the sales and marketing individiuals who probably made a lot more out of the mess than the lawyers.
I wonder why ??
I wonder why ??
Oct 11th 2013, 5:10 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
You were talking about all lawyers being bent, meaning that it must be institutionalised. It may be so in pockets of the South where there has been overdevelopment, but its probably limited to that and the odd exception
You cant blame all lawyers any more than you can blame all rich people for the economic crisis
Personally I blame those who encourage the poorest and most vulnerable people in society to gamble all their money away so that they can stay at home and take the moral high ground on internet forums
You cant blame all lawyers any more than you can blame all rich people for the economic crisis
Personally I blame those who encourage the poorest and most vulnerable people in society to gamble all their money away so that they can stay at home and take the moral high ground on internet forums
So you would you ban all kinds of gambling, casinos, machines, FOBTs, drink, cigarettes and all vices because the poor and the vunerable also smoke and drink, and alcohol causes violence.
Why not ban internet, where porn is so easily downloaded too.
Sould we spoil it for the majority because some get in too deep? But that is another thread.
Right now there is a trial going on about a woman who was murdered by compulsive gamblers, terrible, but is it really the gambling that is at fault of the killers.
They could have just as easily been drug addicts, and would have killed just the same.
But that is a whole new thread.
Oct 11th 2013, 5:38 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
If you make something too easily available, be it gambling , alcohol or drugs abuse and deprivation follows it has ever been the case.
Sadly we reach levels of excess followed by over reaction and prohibition.
Society just does not when to draw the line.
Rather like buying property in Spain etc, easy credit, perceived low prices, sophisticated sales and marketing campaigns ( who financed all those a place in the sun TV progs ) fueled demand which those on the shady side rushed to exploit.
Sadly we reach levels of excess followed by over reaction and prohibition.
Society just does not when to draw the line.
Rather like buying property in Spain etc, easy credit, perceived low prices, sophisticated sales and marketing campaigns ( who financed all those a place in the sun TV progs ) fueled demand which those on the shady side rushed to exploit.
Oct 11th 2013, 6:02 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
There are, sadly, too many dishonest and totally unscrupulous people in the world (all over it) who will pull any scam to relieve gullible and sometimes vulnerable people of their money - like the boiler room share dealing operations, the cowboys who manage to persuade elderly people to part with extremely large sums of money for relatively small building jobs such as resurfacing a drive, or take their money and leave their homes in a dangerous condition, even the more "respectable" ones employed by major financial institutions who spent years pushing totally unsuitable financial products to their customers. At least the latter group are now having to pay large sums in compensation for having done so, but in the other cases nobody ever gets their money back, they just have to put it down to bitter experience.
The property scandals in Spain are but one example.
The property scandals in Spain are but one example.
Oct 11th 2013, 9:21 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
I watched a news programme today which dealt with extreme cruelty to babies followed by some disgusting treatment of old people and it made me think that you are not safe from the cradle to the grave in this brave world of ours.
It's a bit of a jump from the Spanish property scandals, but perhaps it goes to show that whatever laws we have produced to protect citizens, they are never enough when pure badness surfaces, as it frequently does.
It's a bit of a jump from the Spanish property scandals, but perhaps it goes to show that whatever laws we have produced to protect citizens, they are never enough when pure badness surfaces, as it frequently does.
Oct 11th 2013, 9:58 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
North to Alaska was the song the gold diggers sang over a hundred years ago, South to Marbella would have been a similar song for the expats who flooded into the CDS in the early nineties. Both sets of foreigners arrived with the express intention to exploit the land. Ghost towns is what they left behind, when the gold ran out.
The Malaya corruption trial finished last week, after two years, in Marbella and 96 of the very top of Marbella society were convicted of the most unbelievable corruption. It barely registered in the press, with corruption now exposed at the highest government level.
So who was involved in the scandal? How cynical would it be to say Everyone? Including the expat gold diggers?
What about the expats turning Spanish cow sheds into illegal mansions with sparkling swimming pools where once stood shrubland with a few gnarled olive trees?
Several hundred Spanish mayors and other officials have gone to prison, but have the illegal activities stopped?
Of course they haven't, just reading a few of the posts on this little thread prove otherwise, Mitzyboy has given a perfect example of what is still happening, and the evidence is all around.
And throwing stones in glass houses is not a good idea.
The Malaya corruption trial finished last week, after two years, in Marbella and 96 of the very top of Marbella society were convicted of the most unbelievable corruption. It barely registered in the press, with corruption now exposed at the highest government level.
So who was involved in the scandal? How cynical would it be to say Everyone? Including the expat gold diggers?
What about the expats turning Spanish cow sheds into illegal mansions with sparkling swimming pools where once stood shrubland with a few gnarled olive trees?
Several hundred Spanish mayors and other officials have gone to prison, but have the illegal activities stopped?
Of course they haven't, just reading a few of the posts on this little thread prove otherwise, Mitzyboy has given a perfect example of what is still happening, and the evidence is all around.
And throwing stones in glass houses is not a good idea.
As a spanish married to a british woman, i have to say i agree with most of what has been said in this forum.
Yet, not only the lawyers, estate agents and similar business men can be blamed.
Most of the buyers (regardles nationality) knew to some point through the buy process that what they were getting at such a cheap price was somehow not 100% legal.
Ourselves, we bought a house a few years ago that was not built in "urban" land, so there was a slight chance of it being demolished.
Before buying, we did our research, saw that no big roads were being built around, and that the area was supposed to be made "urban" within a few years, so there was no big danger.
We bought the house at a very affordable price (compared to what a house built in urban soil would have cost us), and we made it fully aware of the risks.
We saved a lot of money doing it as we did it, and in the first five years, we were not sure what could happen.
After 5 years (after that time, the government can no longer demolish your house) we got the letter from the townhall asking us to start paying our taxes, which we did.
Eventually, the land became urban, and we had to pay our share to pave the roads, set the undergrund pipes, the light posts n all that, which we did happily, as it was a big improvement and would increase the value of the house we were living on.
With this, i want to say that most of the people buying in "not fully legal" areas, or improving the "country houses" to build mansions, were aware of what they were doing, and they knew that they migth have problems.
I was lucky i didnt, but im sure many others did, but no one other than themselves is to blame, as I refuse to believe that anyone is so silly (no ofense here) as to go to another country, and buy a property without making himself fully aware of what he is buying.
After selling that one, we have lived in a couple different places, but every time, we have made sure we knew where we were getting ourselves into.
Oct 11th 2013, 10:13 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
Good for you
Just one thing, can't be bothered with the rest tonight....Most people didn't buy those houses cheap, they bought overpriced crap during the boom
Just one thing, can't be bothered with the rest tonight....Most people didn't buy those houses cheap, they bought overpriced crap during the boom
Oct 11th 2013, 10:22 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
As a spanish married to a british woman, i have to say i agree with most of what has been said in this forum.
Yet, not only the lawyers, estate agents and similar business men can be blamed.
Most of the buyers (regardles nationality) knew to some point through the buy process that what they were getting at such a cheap price was somehow not 100% legal.
Ourselves, we bought a house a few years ago that was not built in "urban" land, so there was a slight chance of it being demolished.
Before buying, we did our research, saw that no big roads were being built around, and that the area was supposed to be made "urban" within a few years, so there was no big danger.
We bought the house at a very affordable price (compared to what a house built in urban soil would have cost us), and we made it fully aware of the risks.
We saved a lot of money doing it as we did it, and in the first five years, we were not sure what could happen.
After 5 years (after that time, the government can no longer demolish your house) we got the letter from the townhall asking us to start paying our taxes, which we did.
Eventually, the land became urban, and we had to pay our share to pave the roads, set the undergrund pipes, the light posts n all that, which we did happily, as it was a big improvement and would increase the value of the house we were living on.
With this, i want to say that most of the people buying in "not fully legal" areas, or improving the "country houses" to build mansions, were aware of what they were doing, and they knew that they migth have problems.
I was lucky i didnt, but im sure many others did, but no one other than themselves is to blame, as I refuse to believe that anyone is so silly (no ofense here) as to go to another country, and buy a property without making himself fully aware of what he is buying.
After selling that one, we have lived in a couple different places, but every time, we have made sure we knew where we were getting ourselves into.
Yet, not only the lawyers, estate agents and similar business men can be blamed.
Most of the buyers (regardles nationality) knew to some point through the buy process that what they were getting at such a cheap price was somehow not 100% legal.
Ourselves, we bought a house a few years ago that was not built in "urban" land, so there was a slight chance of it being demolished.
Before buying, we did our research, saw that no big roads were being built around, and that the area was supposed to be made "urban" within a few years, so there was no big danger.
We bought the house at a very affordable price (compared to what a house built in urban soil would have cost us), and we made it fully aware of the risks.
We saved a lot of money doing it as we did it, and in the first five years, we were not sure what could happen.
After 5 years (after that time, the government can no longer demolish your house) we got the letter from the townhall asking us to start paying our taxes, which we did.
Eventually, the land became urban, and we had to pay our share to pave the roads, set the undergrund pipes, the light posts n all that, which we did happily, as it was a big improvement and would increase the value of the house we were living on.
With this, i want to say that most of the people buying in "not fully legal" areas, or improving the "country houses" to build mansions, were aware of what they were doing, and they knew that they migth have problems.
I was lucky i didnt, but im sure many others did, but no one other than themselves is to blame, as I refuse to believe that anyone is so silly (no ofense here) as to go to another country, and buy a property without making himself fully aware of what he is buying.
After selling that one, we have lived in a couple different places, but every time, we have made sure we knew where we were getting ourselves into.
I must add there is nothing like a nice, pleasant, friendly, first post .
Oct 11th 2013, 11:21 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
well, whether i feel sorry for them or not, i have to say that nobody forced them to buy any properties when they were overpriced. I did my research, checked what was a good investment for me and went for it
Oct 11th 2013, 11:23 pm
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
I dont know who "JL" or "me me" is
I saw this forum while trying to find some tax stuff for me n my wife, and decided it was a nice one, though with some wrong concepts, so thought i had to add my opinions here
Oct 12th 2013, 5:58 am
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Re: Demolition is proving difficult
As a spanish married to a british woman, i have to say i agree with most of what has been said in this forum.
Yet, not only the lawyers, estate agents and similar business men can be blamed.
Most of the buyers (regardles nationality) knew to some point through the buy process that what they were getting at such a cheap price was somehow not 100% legal.
Ourselves, we bought a house a few years ago that was not built in "urban" land, so there was a slight chance of it being demolished.
Before buying, we did our research, saw that no big roads were being built around, and that the area was supposed to be made "urban" within a few years, so there was no big danger.
We bought the house at a very affordable price (compared to what a house built in urban soil would have cost us), and we made it fully aware of the risks.
We saved a lot of money doing it as we did it, and in the first five years, we were not sure what could happen.
After 5 years (after that time, the government can no longer demolish your house) we got the letter from the townhall asking us to start paying our taxes, which we did.
Eventually, the land became urban, and we had to pay our share to pave the roads, set the undergrund pipes, the light posts n all that, which we did happily, as it was a big improvement and would increase the value of the house we were living on.
With this, i want to say that most of the people buying in "not fully legal" areas, or improving the "country houses" to build mansions, were aware of what they were doing, and they knew that they migth have problems.
I was lucky i didnt, but im sure many others did, but no one other than themselves is to blame, as I refuse to believe that anyone is so silly (no ofense here) as to go to another country, and buy a property without making himself fully aware of what he is buying.
After selling that one, we have lived in a couple different places, but every time, we have made sure we knew where we were getting ourselves into.
Yet, not only the lawyers, estate agents and similar business men can be blamed.
Most of the buyers (regardles nationality) knew to some point through the buy process that what they were getting at such a cheap price was somehow not 100% legal.
Ourselves, we bought a house a few years ago that was not built in "urban" land, so there was a slight chance of it being demolished.
Before buying, we did our research, saw that no big roads were being built around, and that the area was supposed to be made "urban" within a few years, so there was no big danger.
We bought the house at a very affordable price (compared to what a house built in urban soil would have cost us), and we made it fully aware of the risks.
We saved a lot of money doing it as we did it, and in the first five years, we were not sure what could happen.
After 5 years (after that time, the government can no longer demolish your house) we got the letter from the townhall asking us to start paying our taxes, which we did.
Eventually, the land became urban, and we had to pay our share to pave the roads, set the undergrund pipes, the light posts n all that, which we did happily, as it was a big improvement and would increase the value of the house we were living on.
With this, i want to say that most of the people buying in "not fully legal" areas, or improving the "country houses" to build mansions, were aware of what they were doing, and they knew that they migth have problems.
I was lucky i didnt, but im sure many others did, but no one other than themselves is to blame, as I refuse to believe that anyone is so silly (no ofense here) as to go to another country, and buy a property without making himself fully aware of what he is buying.
After selling that one, we have lived in a couple different places, but every time, we have made sure we knew where we were getting ourselves into.
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