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Re: (Day)light robbery
Come the day you could find yourself to be the equivalent of a sweat shop slave or a paddy field worker desperate for a bowl of rice.
OK, I'm 40 now and will be maybe 45 by then. :unsure: :( 7 billions now... and growing non stop: more people being born and people dying older. That is also a huge problem, now and even more in the near future. Seeing this we'd rather start working on a virus with maybe a 75% death efficiency... and throw it everywhere. Wait... we will definitely need people who actually know how to make useful things... I don't know... engineers, doctors, someone who can keep the nuclear stations without going off... we can get rid of all the rest and leave them to the chance of being one of the 25% surviving; at the end of the day most people are disposable, that's were we are going. Let's make sure that we also make some antidotes and prepare some lists for the chosen ones we have to keep... But all religions preachers and representatives, bankers, billionaires, owners of sweat shops and factories, royal families, etc, etc... do not need to apply! :rofl: Of course I might not be there to see the result, but at least then we would have more land to farm and free houses, just make sure we keep the cities small and close to farming lands. Jobs for everybody, we can start swapping things, no more euro/pound issues, there won't be any value in notes! And best of all, we won't have any traders as there won't be any financial instruments. People from those poor parts of the world which are now overpopulated will have statistically more survivors who (as we made sure that the bankers and people at the top, who have been deciding about our lives for generations, are dead), they will at last be welcome to Western countries, and all races, cultures, languages and religions will disappear and rearrange in a new single one, because ALL the survivors would been the chosen ones. Simple, basic life, with only the technicians to fear as masters of the power of electricity. Of course this will have to be repited in maybe 500 years or so... Is that the only way??? Because we cannot go on like this for much longer.... we cannot even expect a rice bowl as something secured, we'll end up starving. :unsure: TBH, I did think at first that the avian flu was manufacturated precisely for this... call me mad, but I do seriously think that some people up there -and I don't mean "there"- are getting quite worried about the 7 million number and can do something about it... :sneaky: In the meanwhile I'll start trying to get that tractor, just in case... this is the future! :rofl: |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by evamar
(Post 9784391)
Come the day you could find yourself to be the equivalent of a sweat shop slave or a paddy field worker desperate for a bowl of rice.
OK, I'm 40 now and will be maybe 45 by then. :unsure: :( 7 billions now... and growing non stop: more people being born and people dying older. That is also a huge problem, now and even more in the near future. Seeing this we'd rather start working on a virus with maybe a 75% death efficiency... and throw it everywhere. Wait... we will definitely need people who actually know how to make useful things... I don't know... engineers, doctors, someone who can keep the nuclear stations without going off... we can get rid of all the rest and leave them to the chance of being one of the 25% surviving; at the end of the day most people are disposable, that's were we are going. Let's make sure that we also make some antidotes and prepare some lists for the chosen ones we have to keep... But all religions preachers and representatives, bankers, billionaires, owners of sweat shops and factories, royal families, etc, etc... do not need to apply! :rofl: Of course I might not be there to see the result, but at least then we would have more land to farm and free houses, just make sure we keep the cities small and close to farming lands. Jobs for everybody, we can start swapping things, no more euro/pound issues, there won't be any value in notes! And best of all, we won't have any traders as there won't be any financial instruments. People from those poor parts of the world which are now overpopulated will have statistically more survivors who (as we made sure that the bankers and people at the top, who have been deciding about our lives for generations, are dead), they will at last be welcome to Western countries, and all races, cultures, languages and religions will disappear and rearrange in a new single one, because ALL the survivors would been the chosen ones. Simple, basic life, with only the technicians to fear as masters of the power of electricity. Of course this will have to be repited in maybe 500 years or so... Is that the only way??? Because we cannot go on like this for much longer.... we cannot even expect a rice bowl as something secured, we'll end up starving. :unsure: TBH, I did think at first that the avian flu was manufacturated precisely for this... call me mad, but I do seriously think that some people up there -and I don't mean "there"- are getting quite worried about the 7 million number and can do something about it... :sneaky: In the meanwhile I'll start trying to get that tractor, just in case... this is the future! :rofl: If we really have to get back to basics and live off the land the first thing to cross of the list will be that fuel guzzling tractor, increasingly expensive to feed, whilst using up dwindling world resources. It's got to be back to the old burro, very fuel efficient, in fact turning its mostly free natural supply of fuel into a useful bi-product. More ppl.back to living off the land and working the land, more jobs to go round, just as nature intended. |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 9784703)
If we really have to get back to basics and live off the land the first thing to cross of the list will be that fuel guzzling tractor, increasingly expensive to feed, whilst using up dwindling world resources.
It's got to be back to the old burro, very fuel efficient, in fact turning its mostly free natural supply of fuel into a useful bi-product. More ppl.back to living off the land and working the land, more jobs to go round, just as nature intended. So how would these small holders be provided for in the old age, by that I mean a pension, which is what a lot of people have on this forum. A pension that would give them a bit of dignity, not even asking for luxury here, but enough so that they dont have to burn donkey shit to keep warm or cook, and a bit of independance when they are too old or too ill to work? A lot talk the talk but when push comes to shove would they walk the walk and live that way themselves? |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 9784713)
It may seem like a nice way of living, but there are people who have lived that life, and now find themselves in the burro dung themselves, they are now old and have no pension, while they were working the land they were cash poor, and now survive on nothing, not a dignified way to end life.
So how would these small holders be provided for in the old age, by that I mean a pension, which is what a lot of people have on this forum. A pension that would give them a bit of dignity, not even asking for luxury here, but enough so that they dont have to burn donkey shit to keep warm or cook, and a bit of independance when they are too old or too ill to work? A lot talk the talk but when push comes to shove would they walk the walk and live that way themselves? The harsh reality is no doubt a totally different kettle of fish and I doubt that anyone not already familiar with such a lifestyle would have even the foggiest idea how to cope. |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by johnnyone
(Post 9784093)
I like to think that but when you look it's surprising how much stuff is made in China.
Mobile 'phone, Computer and or batteries, TV,DVD player etc. And that's without clothes, trainers. Designed in the Uk manufactured in China. Not trainers in my case as I don't wear them! However it involves using the words, custom-made, tailor made, hand-made, antique, Miele etc when describing them. The only things I dont have provenance for in my house(s) are a few batteries, my 2 Mac computers which are old which states on the internet that parts were from USA and computer assembled in Taiwan. There will probably be a few other insignificant items but that is all. It pays to buy quality. |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by whitelinen
(Post 9785619)
It is perfectly possible to have a home full of stuff and know their origins.
However it involves using the words, custom-made, tailor made, hand-made, antique, Miele etc when describing them. The only things I dont have provenance for in my house(s) are a few batteries, my 2 Mac computers which are old which states on the internet that parts were from USA and computer assembled in Taiwan. There will probably be a few other insignificant items but that is all. It pays to buy quality. Rosemary |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 9784713)
It may seem like a nice way of living, but there are people who have lived that life, and now find themselves in the burro dung themselves, they are now old and have no pension, while they were working the land they were cash poor, and now survive on nothing, not a dignified way to end life.
So how would these small holders be provided for in the old age, by that I mean a pension, which is what a lot of people have on this forum. A pension that would give them a bit of dignity, not even asking for luxury here, but enough so that they dont have to burn donkey shit to keep warm or cook, and a bit of independance when they are too old or too ill to work? A lot talk the talk but when push comes to shove would they walk the walk and live that way themselves? Very easy, just as my great-grandparents did... the elderly ended sat on a rocking chair by a corner of the only room of the house with heating, and died at home of natural causes that would no longer be treated at hospitals. Depending on the particular family, they might have some respect from the rest of the family or, more possibly, they would be seen as somebody useless who only wastes time and food. That is the recognition they would get after a hard working life, because there would be no more elderly care homes, pensions, and in a family farm their only house would be for the first-born, and it would be up to him how many people he can support. Looking forward to that! :rofl: It's very easy to preach to the younger ones that they should go back to the ways the pensioners lived... but the pensioners are benefiting from the system they are now criticising... :D |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by evamar
(Post 9785621)
Very easy, just as my great-grandparents did... the elderly ended sat on a rocking chair by a corner of the only room of the house with heating, and died at home of natural causes that would no longer be treated at hospitals. Depending on the particular family, they might have some respect from the rest of the family or, more possibly, they would be seen as somebody useless who only wastes time and food. That is the recognition they would get after a hard working life, because there would be no more elderly care homes, pensions, and in a family farm their only house would be for the first-born, and it would be up to him how many people he can support.
Looking forward to that! :rofl: Then the daughters of the family could marry a rich old duffer, provide and heir and spare, than the parents would not need to worry. Bring back the "marriage for coffers" system............ |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by The Oddities
(Post 9785620)
Totally agree with you. Can I ask you if you have much stuff that is made in Spain and what you think of the quality?
Rosemary |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by whitelinen
(Post 9785676)
The only thing I have that was made in Spain is a mattress which I had made in Valencia. Of necessity it was custom made as fits inside a beautiful large antique bed frame. I went to the factory and saw it being made there. I cannot fault the service nor the quality.
Rosemary |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by evamar
(Post 9785621)
Very easy, just as my great-grandparents did... the elderly ended sat on a rocking chair by a corner of the only room of the house with heating, and died at home of natural causes that would no longer be treated at hospitals. Depending on the particular family, they might have some respect from the rest of the family or, more possibly, they would be seen as somebody useless who only wastes time and food. That is the recognition they would get after a hard working life, because there would be no more elderly care homes, pensions, and in a family farm their only house would be for the first-born, and it would be up to him how many people he can support.
Looking forward to that! :rofl: It's very easy to preach to the younger ones that they should go back to the ways the pensioners lived... but the pensioners are benefiting from the system they are now criticising... :D When what they are advocating as the way forward is to reduce the size of the world to ones own smallholding.double standards or what? |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 9785700)
That is a very valid point Eva, it seems very ironic that thoses advocating living "on the land" like the old days, all family together, and being content to live and work, and effectively go back in time, have taken advantage of an ever shrinking world and live in a foreign country.
When what they are advocating as the way forward is to reduce the size of the world to ones own smallholding.double standards or what? You realise people lived in other countries many years ago you know? People can do what they want, I am not telling people what to do. But, if you look at the sustainability of the planet then small holdings and a stable population is the best for everyone Life in the cities is only good in periods of growth. During hard times it is a horrible place to be |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by cricketman
(Post 9783656)
My advice is to buy a plot of land in Spain, preferrably one whether the weather isnt so harsh and that has fertile land
Make sure the building is well insulated. Then stock it out with mod-cons Then aim to live the way your grandparents did. You will have a big advantage because you will have washing machines, electricity, running water etc. You can do all this for about 100K. Then you'll have a head start for when the people start heading back to the villages which I can see in the next 10 years Spain has a huge natural resource that it has ignored through the boom years. Thousands of wonderful villages surrounded by fertile land. Use the wealth people have built up to move out the cities and back there. The quality of life will be way better than being paid misrable wages in an ugly neighbourhood of the city - and eventually you and your children will be happier I'm seriously thinking about it, as long as I can take my internet ;) Cricketman could apply to be on it - but you can't take your internet, that would be cheating. |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by Lynn R
(Post 9785814)
I see an opportunity here for another TV "reality" show - take 4 younger Spanish people (or indeed British expats living in Spain) who have been brought up in more pampered circumstances, and make them live a self-sufficient lifestyle on some remote finca, see how they cope. You could even call it "Living the Dream"!:D
Cricketman could apply to be on it - but you can't take your internet, that would be cheating. I think C'man would be an ideal first candidate if he didn't get serious internet withdrawal symptoms after the first few hours. The fact is that pampered protected lifestyles amongst the masses are a very recent thing. Up until 150 years ago, people have had no choice but to live the sort of basic existance which some on this forum now consider to be almost unthinkable, for tens of thousands of years and no doubt considered it to be pretty well the norm. However as the saying goes, "what you've never had you've never missed". It would be an interesting experiment which the more pampered citizens of nanny states might find extremely difficult if not totally impossible, whilst hardy country dwellers from remote backward areas may well be able to adjust. |
Re: (Day)light robbery
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 9785848)
....or maybe "living the nightmare", for those more used to pampered circumstances.
I think C'man would be an ideal first candidate if he didn't get serious internet withdrawal symptoms after the first few hours. . But the debt end-game has to happen sooner or later. I am quite interested in the "7 civilisations" theory which says that the current civilization of the past 1000 years is due to collape within the next 100 years. If it does, people will desert the cities as there will be no reason to be there. it will be the people with enough land to support their family who will be in the best position. Human society works best at the small village/collection of small holdings level in groups of roughly 2,000. This enables everyone to exchange skills and goods. My OH's great grandad built his house in a month with the wood from his plot of land and help from the guys in the village. The house is still in great condition 100 years later. In contrast, we have to work 25 years to pay a mortgage on a house that for him he did in 1 months hard work. |
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