Originally Posted by RaineandJu (Post 6609201)

I have learned the following w:frown:ith regard to a future connection to the mains supply............



Unlike UK where the mains supply is connected to house by the national
electricity companies it is different here. Endesa put in the transformer
stations and the substations but then the actual connection of houses to
mains supply is done by the builder. Fadesa sub-contract a specialist high
voltage electrician to do the job, which is expensive. We assumed,
therefore, due to their lack of funds, even before liquidation, that this
was the main reason for the delay. Apparently this seems now not to be true.

This is the bit I also found out and can confirm but I also found that there are odd places where Endesa come to make the connection and the "tail" is not there.

In fact the additional problem is, according to the town hall and confirmed
by Megafincas, that Endesa did not put in sufficient high voltage capacity
to accommodate all the properties which have been built in Esuri. It seems
they miscalculated the ongoing growth and size of the urbanizations.

This is very interesting and in accordance with my thoughts and why I describe Fadesa/Endesa playing "chicken". If you remember the last edition of the Oracle Jon anounced that Endesa were to spend an extra €23m on top of an investment of €85m this year on beefing up the infrastructure in Huelva Province BUT non of this was listed for CE.

This means we at Las Jaras, the Ragu 1 apartments, and all the other smaller
developments like Albatross Golf, Hernandez, Titan, Vista Esuri etc etc and
the hotel & shopping centre will have the same problem. There are apparently
similar problems at El Rompido, Portil, and even Huelva, where whole blocks
of apartments have been built but are unoccupied because there is no
electricity. It would seem then that we may be on generator power for some
time to come.


The major step down transformer station for the whole of CE is the monopitch yellow building opposite Albatros Golf I phase 2 so it must be paticularly gaulling if they cannot be connected. Each development parcela also has a substationn the corner coloured brown and cream and it is to these that Endesa allow the generators to be connected when they cannot supply power.

It also worth noting that the main generation capacity for Ayamonte is close to the entrance bridge to CE in the form of a gas fired generator station between the road and the fish farm. It has two large silver gas tanks presumably refilled by road tanker at night since I have never seen one.

All this week there has been a trench coming from the top of the hill down to the generator station into which ha been put a large orange pipe. When I asked if this was for electricity I was told it was a gas pipe. So lets hope that this is to increase the output of the generator station so that all of Esuri can be connected soon.

I asked Megafincas how could habitation licences be issued if the town hall?
Were they aware of the problem? The answer seems to be that keen to see
economic growth in Ayamonte and surrounding towns, the property
development got a bit out of hand and they did not stop to consider the
implications and consequences!!!!

Over the last couple of weeks Ayamonte has suffered brown-outs which indicate a lack of capacity at peak loads (everybody switching on the aircon) and lends substance to your post. Megafincas seem to have their finger on the pulse.

Originally Posted by The Oddities (Post 6609528)

Not sure but I thought that the padron is only signed on by permanent residents.

Rosemary

Originally Posted by TanyaR (Post 6609510)

Sorry, what is PADRON? Do we sign on there the same place as we pay the Council Tax?

Originally Posted by Fred R (Post 6609316)

" ...Whilst they remain the majority owner and pay their fees they ..."

Q1. Have they paid any fees at all to date?
Q2. Will they pay any fees from now on?
Q3. Do answers to these questions reveal anything about their voting status?

Regards

Originally Posted by Fortaleza (Post 6609212)

Massive mistakes have been made all round and I'm sure everyone will love a good moan to let it out of the system. However, at the moment I think it would be better to focus on going forward from where you all are, what you can do etc instead of dwelling on the multitude of past mistakes.

IMHO, when everyone is 100% sure they have their investments protected to their liking, let the recriminations begin.

Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 6609625)

If you are a property owner you should be on the Padron. If you are on the Escritura or long lease you should sign up I did no problems.

Originally Posted by Reptonian (Post 6609850)

John,

I seem to rember that you have done considerable research on the whole business of communities. If I remember your earlier posts you made some points which were particularly relevant at the moment. Can you check my understanding of the system:

If a community wishes to do its own thing it can vote out the current president and sec. Yes by majority vote you can remove the President and the administrator and change any contractors subject to existing contracts and affordability

But... all members of the community must be informed of the meeting in advance, or else it can be declared null and void. (Therefore the MF owned flats must also be informed - Belen) Presumably the informing bit still applies even if they havent paid their community fees. Yes all have to be informed but they can only vote if they are up to date with contributions

If a community wishes to take itself out of the developer's control it is sensible to appoint a lawer to make the whole process legal. The community is not in control of the developer it is a free standing entity represented by its President who is the only individual who can act in the name of the community. If you wished to make significant changes it would be well to have strong independant legal advice to hand. And a copy of David Searles Book

Voters need not be present, but must nominate their proxy voter in writing. They may choose to be present or not or to be represented or not


For All,

there was considerable discussion about the merits of other admin companies some time ago on the old site I think. There was at least one other contender with good reputation apart from Mega Fincas and Gesospur. Perhaps worth speaking to them all and getting their offers in?Why not go out to tender to at least three ad choose the best (not always the cheapest)

Jonathan

Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 6609692)

Hang on a minute these are not mistakes these are actions outside the law and should have been warned against by legal advisors in writing so that people could make informed decisions at the point of commitment. Just because most of us don't speak fluent legal Spanish does not mean that we are too dumb to understand a proper explanation which leads to an informed decision. The legal advisors are also in breach of their duty of care if they have not given proper advice at the point of commitment.

Originally Posted by MEL & JOHN (Post 6609855)

Ooops, missed out on this and we purchased in May 2006. I know everyone has major concerns re the MF debacle but could somebody please explain exactly what the Padron is and the implications of signing to it. I have a general idea but would appreciate more info please. We can sign on in Sept, heck at least it's only €1.30. Very reasonable as with additional Cmmty fees now Fadesa are not paying for their unsold properties, the Euro rate to the £, the mtg interest rises, fuel, food....etc, etc we can stretch to that but it will be an ice-cream less on our next visit. Or John could give up a large beer at the Laguna Bar....yeah, like that's likely to happen !!

A big thank you to the folk who have been posting very valuable info for us all, much appreciated....still good to have other posts though and I agree totally with Jag on this. Plenty of posts, factual - even if not what we really want to hear -we should still be told, informative, light-hearted, tips on where to go, where to eat, taxes, Padron queries. This site has been so helpful in a trillion ways with some great posters.

Sunny here and off to walk the dogs, may as well as...you will never believe it...our road has had an electricity power cut - how spooky is that.

Chin up all

Mel xx

Originally Posted by Fortaleza (Post 6609907)

Fine. Go ahead with your complaints now.

You are all on a precipice at the moment - yet not many necessarily realise it. Yes, there are lots of problemillas in Esuri that can and will be ironed out. The persistent moaning, recriminations and general feeling of panic (as demonstrated so spectacularly by those cretins who spoke to the Telegraph) will only make matters worse FOR YOU. Will the council really care about your gripes and digs on here or elsewhere - no. They are sorting it so gripe away. Will Fadesa be deeply hurt by your comments and feeling of dissatisfaction - yeah, I can just imagine their sleepless nights.
All the while Ayamonte and the area is recieveing negative press due to these comments. Do fadesa get hurt, No. The council? Again, no. The area and all the businesses that have sprouted up, not to mention the value of your proerties, will this get hurt? ABSOLUTELY YES!!! You are about to shoot yourselves in the foot.

PLEASE - think before you move on from here about the bigger picture.

Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 6609463)

Wrong way round I tried to pay mine in May and they told me no it is between June and September and since we won't be back until October I paid last Tuesday.

It is a bit more complicated than when it is due for a new owner. It first of all depends who is in ownership of the property on the first of January they are liable for the tax. They may seek to apportion it if you complete part way though the year but you would have to agree to this.

We completed in Feb 2007 and I found out in October 2007 that Fadesa had paid the full year and did not seek part refund from me at completion so my full liability was from 1 Jan 2008 to be paid between June and September 2008.

Originally Posted by Fortaleza (Post 6609167)

PLOT OWNERS:

I've discovered that a certain person who shall remain nameless but has a vested interest in the owners of the plots has been contacting said owners telling them all that they must complete now.

Thinking this to be a bit dubious, I managed to find out the following.

As expected, the judge signed off on the Voluntary Admin yesterday. What happens next is that an announcement must be made in all major newspapers telling creditors that they have 30 days to register the debt owed to them. The 30 day period begins after the LAST announcement appears.
HOWEVER, plot owners are NOT creditors and are not affected by the above. What you have is a contract with Fadesa that has not been completed/honoured (if that is indeed the case). If you believe that the terms of your contract have not been completed, you can launch an action against Fadesa for not executing the terms of the contract as laid out. That is a seperate process to the creditors.

Therefore, with that in mind, there is no immediate rush to complete just to fall in to the time frame of the Creditors Registration Period.

I hope this puts some people's minds at rest