Damn straight. Surely it should be an empty bottle for a proper tribute?

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Originally Posted by bil
ten times easier to give up heroin than alcohol.
Back to the question tho, why is it that so many sometimes quite talented artists that seem to have that destructive addictive side to them?


Still waiting for the proof......

Prove it isn't. I'm just going on what I've read over the years. What I've read suggests that if prescribed medical grade heroin in diminishing doses, a large % of addicts can taper off. Giving them methadone creates a much worse addiction problem, especially as unlike heroin that does no physical harm, methadone does.

Using the Marks method was shown to be very effective.

If you are interested, I'd suggest you read up on it. Heroin has been the bogeyman posterchild for the 'Keep prohibition alive', much in the way that 'Reefer Madness. Marijuana - The Killer Weed With Roots In Hell!' was used in an attempt to demonise dope.

To be honest, if your mind is made up on drugs, then no amount of data will change it, and there is no danger that people with closed minds on the subject will ever want a proper debate on the subject, which is a shame.

Were drug addiction treated as a medical problem rather than a criminal one, we would all stand to be a lot better off.

Oh yeah, you still can't 'prove' that smoking causes lung cancer.

I have known quite a few people who having been released from prison had their first heroin fix for some time and it killed them. Cannot say that I know of anyone who has suffered the same fate from smoking one ciggie after a similar time lapse.

I personally feel extremely sorry for the family of Amy as their grief is in the public domain.

Rosemary

This thread seems to be heading the same way as one I was reading on another forum, which was closed down. Little to do with AW, just "experts" on drug addiction airing their views.

I would say that when you consider that the processing, cleanliness and packing of heroin is in the hands of unaccountable criminals, there's not that many deaths. Imagine if they were the only ones supplying alcohol, diluting it with methanol etc.

You can OD 5 times on Heroin and walk away. Of course people die from it, of course it's a nasty addictive drug, and of course it causes problems.

What I say is that if it were legalised so that users weren't treated as criminals, we would have LESS problems. Not NO problems, but LESS.

See how many people die from paracetamol, and I'm talking accidental, not deliberate.

I think I'm right in saying that the most heroin deaths are caused when people mix it with methadone, alcohol or both.

Short answer yes

How disgusting that people should have opinions! Silly old me, I thought that the purpose of these threads was that we were allowed to air our views and opinions.

Do please correct me if I am wrong? Or is it just that you resent those who disagree with you being allowed to speak.

Were the 'experts' you refer to for prohibition or against it?

I wouldn't think having an opinion/point of view and airing it on an open forum makes anyone an expert. I have to agree with Bil on this one, however accepted that the thread has drifted, but don't most?

I can never understand why people get upset. If a thread drifts, it's because no-one has anything to add on the original subject.

A drifting thread can unearth something interesting. Serendipity is like that.

Are you the same bil from the vaccination thread ?

I think you'll find that I was urging someone to speak there.

I think here that it was aggie putting people down who chose to discuss addiction.

Were you going to ask him if he would post like that if I had my mummy here?

The problem is when people go on and on and on and on
I see that Russell Brand has jumped on the bandwagon, It´s a pity he does not do the same off Blackpool pier.
Graham

Graham I am with you on that one I can not stand that man