Building works a few questions.
Jul 1st 2013, 7:06 am
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One of the other neighbours was complaining also yesterday but he said that the one having the pool built was an animal with whom it was impossible to reason and that he had a criminal record too. As he is the guys' next door neighbour he had got more than his fair share of dust.
Grin and bear it. The Cowboys that are building it are just mixing sand and cement as they go, no science to it. I always thought you should use Reinforced concrete for such projects. Hope we don't have this all over again in a year or two.
Grin and bear it. The Cowboys that are building it are just mixing sand and cement as they go, no science to it. I always thought you should use Reinforced concrete for such projects. Hope we don't have this all over again in a year or two.
Jul 1st 2013, 9:17 am
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To the original poster I would say just live and let live.
Of course there is going to be some dust and inconvenience, but soon enough the work will be over and hopefully you will still be on good terms with your neighbours.
Work actually starts on our own build first thing in the morning, we are building a new roof terrace and also a pool on the existing roof terrace.
We have the licence, and we don't have to put up a board because it's not a new build, and we only have to notify the Guardia when the concrete waggon is due to arrive, just in case it totally blocks the road.
I also know for a fact that our builders will be working in just shorts....their hard hats will be sat on the wall....this is Spain, nobody cares about H&S issues around here.
I know there is going to be a lot of dust, especially when the builders remove the old roof....but we have told the neighbours (Spanish) and they are not in the least put out by it all, they will even park their cars in a different place to make room for our skip.
That's the way to deal with it and remain friends, it's much better than the Brit mentality of complaining and denuncias, and when the work is finished in a couple of months time we will invite them to a pool party.
Just chill....it makes life here so much easier!
Of course there is going to be some dust and inconvenience, but soon enough the work will be over and hopefully you will still be on good terms with your neighbours.
Work actually starts on our own build first thing in the morning, we are building a new roof terrace and also a pool on the existing roof terrace.
We have the licence, and we don't have to put up a board because it's not a new build, and we only have to notify the Guardia when the concrete waggon is due to arrive, just in case it totally blocks the road.
I also know for a fact that our builders will be working in just shorts....their hard hats will be sat on the wall....this is Spain, nobody cares about H&S issues around here.
I know there is going to be a lot of dust, especially when the builders remove the old roof....but we have told the neighbours (Spanish) and they are not in the least put out by it all, they will even park their cars in a different place to make room for our skip.
That's the way to deal with it and remain friends, it's much better than the Brit mentality of complaining and denuncias, and when the work is finished in a couple of months time we will invite them to a pool party.
Just chill....it makes life here so much easier!
a few hundred yards from us is one of the 2 main roads to Granada. Right next to the bus stop was a plot of spare land, where a builder moved in and starting digging out very small foundations, ground floor, pillars and first floor.
sounds fine, and all work Mon-Fri, 8-2 with some small works 4-7.
But, they had a concrete pumping lorry parked in the adjacent layby, used the bus layby for the concrete lorry to offload, adjacent layby for the concrete lorries queueing for their turn to off load.
The company vehicles parked on the pavement, double parked on concrete lorries.
The buses have had to pickup/off load into the road, blocking all traffic into the village, people stepping out adjacent to concrete pumper operating, vehicles building up behind.
On the other side of the road the other bus stop was filled up with lorries waiting to offload bits and pieces
quite honestly mayhem. frayed tempers, frayed nerves.
Policia ?? well I met up with them in a bar down the road having a drink before going to control the buses etc up the hill at the school.
Don't know who is going to repair/replace the lamp post that is now at 45degs, nor the severely damaged footpath and a rubbish bin went walkies but has now returned to us.
We had no traffic control, no alternative parking - the laybys are used by bus passengers who travel to the stop and then bus into town so their cars got covered in cement dust etc..
The only sign is a standard H&S board, none of which has been kept to, one guy was walking on the wet concrete in trainers, no hard hats.
but this is Spain, and things are much much worse in other countries, where bamboo is used instead of steel scaffolding
Jul 1st 2013, 1:17 pm
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The only sign is a standard H&S board, none of which has been kept to, one guy was walking on the wet concrete in trainers, no hard hats.
As predicted our builders are working in just shorts, no sign of hard hats or safety boards either.
but this is Spain, and things are much much worse in other countries, where bamboo is used instead of steel scaffolding
As predicted our builders are working in just shorts, no sign of hard hats or safety boards either.
but this is Spain, and things are much much worse in other countries, where bamboo is used instead of steel scaffolding
Jul 1st 2013, 9:35 pm
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In HK 3 years ago one of the top Bamboo scaffolders was a young lady. and putting Bamboo scaffolding up to build or maintain 30 storey buildings was run of the mill. all the scaffolding is tied together by hand using plastic strips. fixing to walls appeared to be with brackets and rawlplugs or tied with the plastic strips
Jul 2nd 2013, 8:52 am
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"but this is Spain, and things are much much worse in other countries, where bamboo is used instead of steel scaffolding".
It sounds as though this was posted as a disparaging remark but bamboo has a number of advantages over steel. It is a cheap material, readily available in the countries that use it, it doesn't have the same expansion issues that steel has, there are no electrical or electrolytic aspects to worry about and it has a degree of flexibility particularly important in countries that have earthquakes. As a chartered civil engineer I was amazed (and impressed) when I first saw it used.The one disadvantage it does have is that it requires a degree of skill to erect it - ie it can't be erected just using a standard layout. That might be a problem for some of the people I have seen on so-called Spanish construction sites.
It sounds as though this was posted as a disparaging remark but bamboo has a number of advantages over steel. It is a cheap material, readily available in the countries that use it, it doesn't have the same expansion issues that steel has, there are no electrical or electrolytic aspects to worry about and it has a degree of flexibility particularly important in countries that have earthquakes. As a chartered civil engineer I was amazed (and impressed) when I first saw it used.The one disadvantage it does have is that it requires a degree of skill to erect it - ie it can't be erected just using a standard layout. That might be a problem for some of the people I have seen on so-called Spanish construction sites.
Jul 2nd 2013, 9:08 am
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Re: Building works a few questions.
"but this is Spain, and things are much much worse in other countries, where bamboo is used instead of steel scaffolding".
It sounds as though this was posted as a disparaging remark but bamboo has a number of advantages over steel. It is a cheap material, readily available in the countries that use it, it doesn't have the same expansion issues that steel has, there are no electrical or electrolytic aspects to worry about and it has a degree of flexibility particularly important in countries that have earthquakes. As a chartered civil engineer I was amazed (and impressed) when I first saw it used.The one disadvantage it does have is that it requires a degree of skill to erect it - ie it can't be erected just using a standard layout. That might be a problem for some of the people I have seen on so-called Spanish construction sites.
It sounds as though this was posted as a disparaging remark but bamboo has a number of advantages over steel. It is a cheap material, readily available in the countries that use it, it doesn't have the same expansion issues that steel has, there are no electrical or electrolytic aspects to worry about and it has a degree of flexibility particularly important in countries that have earthquakes. As a chartered civil engineer I was amazed (and impressed) when I first saw it used.The one disadvantage it does have is that it requires a degree of skill to erect it - ie it can't be erected just using a standard layout. That might be a problem for some of the people I have seen on so-called Spanish construction sites.
But then even metal scaffolding has the same problem - it is only as good as those that erect them, and there are a few incidents where they have failed.
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Jul 5th 2013, 12:41 pm
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interesting that Meg.
a few hundred yards from us is one of the 2 main roads to Granada. Right next to the bus stop was a plot of spare land, where a builder moved in and starting digging out very small foundations, ground floor, pillars and first floor.
sounds fine, and all work Mon-Fri, 8-2 with some small works 4-7.
But, they had a concrete pumping lorry parked in the adjacent layby, used the bus layby for the concrete lorry to offload, adjacent layby for the concrete lorries queueing for their turn to off load.
The company vehicles parked on the pavement, double parked on concrete lorries.
The buses have had to pickup/off load into the road, blocking all traffic into the village, people stepping out adjacent to concrete pumper operating, vehicles building up behind.
On the other side of the road the other bus stop was filled up with lorries waiting to offload bits and pieces
quite honestly mayhem. frayed tempers, frayed nerves.
Policia ?? well I met up with them in a bar down the road having a drink before going to control the buses etc up the hill at the school.
Don't know who is going to repair/replace the lamp post that is now at 45degs, nor the severely damaged footpath and a rubbish bin went walkies but has now returned to us.
We had no traffic control, no alternative parking - the laybys are used by bus passengers who travel to the stop and then bus into town so their cars got covered in cement dust etc..
The only sign is a standard H&S board, none of which has been kept to, one guy was walking on the wet concrete in trainers, no hard hats.
but this is Spain, and things are much much worse in other countries, where bamboo is used instead of steel scaffolding
a few hundred yards from us is one of the 2 main roads to Granada. Right next to the bus stop was a plot of spare land, where a builder moved in and starting digging out very small foundations, ground floor, pillars and first floor.
sounds fine, and all work Mon-Fri, 8-2 with some small works 4-7.
But, they had a concrete pumping lorry parked in the adjacent layby, used the bus layby for the concrete lorry to offload, adjacent layby for the concrete lorries queueing for their turn to off load.
The company vehicles parked on the pavement, double parked on concrete lorries.
The buses have had to pickup/off load into the road, blocking all traffic into the village, people stepping out adjacent to concrete pumper operating, vehicles building up behind.
On the other side of the road the other bus stop was filled up with lorries waiting to offload bits and pieces
quite honestly mayhem. frayed tempers, frayed nerves.
Policia ?? well I met up with them in a bar down the road having a drink before going to control the buses etc up the hill at the school.
Don't know who is going to repair/replace the lamp post that is now at 45degs, nor the severely damaged footpath and a rubbish bin went walkies but has now returned to us.
We had no traffic control, no alternative parking - the laybys are used by bus passengers who travel to the stop and then bus into town so their cars got covered in cement dust etc..
The only sign is a standard H&S board, none of which has been kept to, one guy was walking on the wet concrete in trainers, no hard hats.
but this is Spain, and things are much much worse in other countries, where bamboo is used instead of steel scaffolding
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Jul 5th 2013, 3:00 pm
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That's what we use for holding out antennas, Skyhooks that is. They are every CTO's dream.
Jul 5th 2013, 11:14 pm
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but isn't that all rule of thumb ??
