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seems a UK taxi can't have a St George's flag stickers on doors as
would leave anyone who is not English at a 'disadvantage in their day to day life'
seems there was 1 (yes - one) complaint by unspecified person

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-sticker.html

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The problem with the flag of st George is that it has been chosen by the extreme right parties and groups and is associated in the mind of many with ignorance and rascism.
This is a real pity, the welsh have their Dragon, the Scots the Saltire, the Protestant NI the red hand of Ulster.
Why don,t we English have a red Lion on a white background, there is no historical associations with the crusdades , the thicker end of the England football supporters, EDL, EDF etc.
Plus all these new flags and banners would bring employment to the poorer areas of China,

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Some people going around looking for "offences", that in a normal society would be laughable.

People who make the rules or enforce them, really need to man up.

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There is no problem other than for you, we went through all this bullshit under Brown when he took it down, and now its turned back around and it flies in Downing street.

Its not a pity, its a flag and its acceptable. you say I am narrow minded, well **** you, this is as narrow minded as it gets when you claim our flag has been chosen by far right groups.

Its a stupid story that could be shut down by a decent brief in no time.

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So when the extremists latch on to that one as well, just as they have the other two, I suppose we'll have to fix yet another one and continue to allow ourselves to be pushed around and dictated to by right wing nutters.

Have you never just for once thought about putting your brain into gear before banging away at the keyboard like a complete eejit ?

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Many right-wing groups have tried to wrap themselves in assorted flags, and that includes the English flag and the Union flag.

The trick is to take it back. National symbols do not belong to them any more than the country does - from formal neo-Nazi groups to the ignorant prejudiced and everything in between - and it's the job of the rest of us to behave decently, speak up and act when necessary, and leave those half-wits on the margin, where they belong.

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****ing Commie bastard!



Ooops, sorry, I got caught up in the thread for a second... as you were.

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I want nothing to do with baldie tattooed prats who wrap themselves in the flag of st geaorge and nor do the majority of the UK population.
Sadly the image is tarnished not just in the UK but where ever these morons have been.
There is nothng wrong in re branding England.
After all the current flag is named after a greek mercenary who may or may not have existed and only came into use general use in the 20th century .
Prior to that t was used by the RN because its design identifying UK vessels was easily seen by other ships.

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It was used at Crecy.

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...and in the Crusades where it was flown by the English fleet to guarantee safe passage through the Med.

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and some have been seen to burn the Union flag in the middle of London and passing policemen have tutted and walked away muttering about littering not being in their remit

:(
would be interested in reading your treatise on how you plan on "taking the flag back" without upsetting a few fluffy bunnies
:confused:

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1. Use it

2. Behave decently, so the half-wits remain marginalized. It has worked pretty well in the UK for some time, on the whole. We don't have to follow along.

3.Freedom of expression is one of the things that needs to be upheld against all comers, even if I dislike what they are doing and saying.

4. By that same token, I reserve the right to speak up myself as I see fit, especially when others don't like it.

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Still, at least I know a tongue-in-cheek comment when I hear it, eh? Puts me ahead of the game.

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I know! I was beginning to wear out the face palm picture.

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Continuing to use it in a responsible manner is what most people seem to have continued to do.
That hasn't removed the stigma that many have attached to it for quite a long time now.
Plan B ?

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We don't need a plan B. It isn't their flag. It belongs to all us and it's up to us to make it stand for the right things by the way we behave and speak. As long as decent people remain as the critical mass, we will be ok.

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There is a story here that I noticed on the front page of the sun today I thought its worth showing you guys why we dont want Sharia law to have any part in the UK

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...-her-jail-hell

Its current

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I'm fairly sure we don't need to worry about anyone being stoned to death in the UK, or put in prison for having sex.

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Wow, who knew someone could become addicted to Valium and manage to beat the addiction, all within the space of two weeks - that's some going!

Andy, you're a grown-up now - time to give up the comics and start reading newspapers.

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Quite a few similar cases have come to light in recent years.
Here's a fairly recent one, though I do recall BBC reports on similar incidents.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/08...n_3721980.html

Never mind Andy, there's obviously quite a few BE posters rubbing their hands with glee at the mere thought of Sharia Law, whilst others continue to bury their heads in the sand.

Just imagine if it ever applied in a country like Spain.

Almost every single man woman and child would be in locked prison in no time at all, if there were enough prisons and guards to go round that is.

What's in a kiss, eh ?

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How mant times do we have to say it so that it gets into your thick heads. Sharia law is not legal in the UK and never will be.
Just as its not 100% legal in Egypt, Turkey and most of the North African states where Isalm is the predominant religion.
There are parts which are against UK civil and criminal law .
Typical right wing ****** stirring.

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What???

You mean you aren't rubbing your hands in glee and Parliament isn't about to be overthrown by a group of radical imams?

Well I never.

To be fair, I think DD just wants a fight on BE - I don't think he could quite believe it either.:)

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One country where sharia law most certainly does hold sway is Saudi Arabia. I know women who have worked there, in nursing and secretarial work, who were struck by the religious police for offences such as not being sufficiently "covered up" in public.

What is the UK Government's attitude to this regime? I have not heard anybody voicing objections to the members of their ruling elite who buy expensive properties in London or the English countryside (nor in Marbella, come to think of it) or take over entire floors of luxury hotels with their entourage (including a number of wives - when polygamy is illegal in Britain - who wear the most extreme form of the burqua possible in public). Is it one law for the rich who we want to flog arms and other military hardware to (to the extent that investigations into corrupt business practices are ordered to be dropped by the British Government), and another for the poorer variety of Muslim? If so, perhaps we should consider this a "double standard".

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Yes but 40% according to a telegraph poll want it, so it reason for debate.

Those 40% should accept our law without debate just like we would or rather should accept islamic law in Dubai.

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I think the original interview came from the Daily Express. I just saw the front page of the sun in the news agents and then googled the story

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40%? You mean 40% of the 1000 or so Muslims they polled in the survey right? I only ask because Islam represents about 4.8% of the British population so if you are suggesting that 40% of Britain want Sharia then there are some seriously messed up Christians, Sikhs, Hinus, Jews and Atheists in this country!



Oh and the IRONY of you posting a link about a person who was clearly drinking in a country that clearly forbids it on a thread that suggests that people should live their lives according to the country they have chosen to live in is absolutely hilarious!

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Matt the offence is one thing the punishment is another, if you think stoning women is hilarious then..................

yes of course 40% of Muslims

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Interesting the 4.8% as a third of youth prisoners are Muslim, and adults 13% of the prison population, if you like stats

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So if only 4.8% of the UK population is Muslim and 13% of prisoners in the UK are muslim, there must be some real serious baddass gangstas amongst them.

Taking into consideration that out of the 4.8% there are young children, who would not be sent to jail anyway,

Why would the number of criminals be so high.

According to government figuers.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...E2rqLrXlLM5oYg

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I think it's worth clarifying that sharia "law" as practiced in the UK isn't law in the sense of it having any legal standing. It is not the law of the land and is irrelevant to whether or not "they" accept actual British law. They have to accept British law. It is more a case of religious practices for those that see fit to try and live their lives by those rules. Women seeking permission to "divorce" in those hearings, for example, are seeking religious permission to undo a religious marriage, and that has no affect at all on her legal married or unmarried status. For an equivalent example, if a catholic priest gives someone forgiveness in the confessional for a crime committed, that has no bearing at all on that person's legal responsibility for the crime nor the punishment that a legal court imposes - whether or not s/he feels better for having received absolution by his/her religious figurehead of choice.

In so far as those hearings are extremely conservative, and a place where women are not given the same status as men, and where social pressure is brought to bear, I would join with you in criticizing them, just as I would any practice where people are not treated humanely and equally. The way women in Ireland were treated under Catholicism for a very long time would rank right up there, for example.

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I have just read my post three times... can you do me a favour and show me exactly where I laughed, chuckled, chortled or even smirked at someone getting stoned?

Cheers sweet cheeks.

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The tricky thing about statistics is that you need some context if you are to make any sense of them at all.

One thing to note would be that the Muslim population of the UK is vastly over represented in poorest, most deprived segments of the population.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/library/statistics.php#4


That raises crime anywhere and everywhere. In the US, for example, it is popular among the thoughtless and ignorant to say that black people are more prone to crime - and the very same over representation among the poor is true here.

To suggest that one is more prone to crime because of one's religion is as nonsensical as saying that one is more prone to crime because of one's skin colour.

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Too simple to point out that if 13% of prisoners are Muslim then that means 87% are NOT MUSLIM!!! Shocking statistics really....

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It's those damn Christians again.

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Or the Jews... they killed Christ you know?

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:rofl::confused::rofl::confused::rofl::confused::o :o

I think a lesson in percentages and stats is needed

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Oh I LOVE that one!

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Go on then....

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