That's not so impressive then is it? (If true).

My mistake, I thought you were implying that they were capable of learning from experience, like normal people.

I have seen some amazing stuff on identical twins separated at birth and reunited much later in life, that ended up doing the same sort of job and marrying almost identical women. Implies nature is a serious input.

I think you are right, enforcing stuff is next to impossible, and without it what?

I'd like to see bad and bullying teachers thrown out and replaced by better ones, I'd like to see teachers paid properly, and given enough powers to discipline (not abuse) their pupils.

There also need to be teachers who take the children that can't keep up, and help them till the can re enter the mainstream flow. Classes shoud be no more than 15, and carefully screened so that they are in groups of similar abilities. Primary schools should stick to teaching the basic tools of education, limiting things to basic maths, literacy and two foreign languages, as that stretches the brain.

I think that this post shows what a total ignoramus you are who obviously has had no dealings with social services and the childrens department or then again you are so angry I have to wonder why.
Any person that receives the departments assistance are usually very pleased with the help given obviously some are not for whatever reason.
I do wonder if you have ever been of real use to people in society or just another inveterate complainer who gives it the mouth but is not of any help to anyone.

Graham

Graham

over 2 decades they have proven quite conclusively their inability to learn from experience.
after the Jasmin Beckford affair back in 1984 it was hand wringing, complaints of high work loads, lack of training, lack of support, clients who never kept appointments - in short, everyone else's fault except their own. But we will learn from this and move on they promised.
I remember one of the red-tops saying this must never happen again.
But it does
and does
and does
evaluate each of these reported and unreported incidents and there is only one common denominator !

summing up if you can't see the problem then you are the problem

Oh dear a me! ....... I put it all down to the hot weather we are having right now.

I'm just amazed by the diversity of the people appearing before the courts. In a way, it's off-putting, it would be much easier to blame it all on disaffected black youth, or welfare scroungers, or pure criminals.

Or the police for cowering behind their shields, or the absent politicians, or a broken education system, or Gordon Brown.

The truth is, nobody knows why it happened. We've had three days of madness all over our country and thousands of people have been arrested.

There's not much point in picking up on individual cases, but I was saddened by three teenagers of previous good character, from respectable families, getting six months each for a moment of madness when they walked into a looted shop and stole some stupid items they didn't even need.

I can only liken it to a day way back in 1997 when I watched the public outpouring of grief over the death of Princess Diana. It was several days of madness, unwarranted public reaction which I didn't understand.

I don't understand this lot either.

Whatever happened to social values? People blame everything on different factors whereas it is the individuals responsibility to behave in an acceptable manner. Failure to behave within the law means that you have to accept responsibility for your actions and take the consequences. Placing the blame at various doors does not help, the blame for individual actions remain with the individualk, they are free thinking people therefore they have the ability to weigh up a situation and make a decision.

Rosemary

I tend to agree with you, Rosemary, but surely a 17-year old girl, respectable and with her life ahead of her should not be sent to prison for one stupid act of madness?

But where do you draw the line?

There were many stupid acts of madness, some of them from otherwise respectable people, not all were out of work and with no future.
These same people had a hand in making others homeless and in the destruction of many businesses... some of which will never recover... thus putting decent people out of work!

Yes I do believe she should go to prison, there she will have time to reflect on her selfish act and her moment of madness.
In my own personal view, at seventeen she is quite old enough to take responsibility for her actions!

Spot on!! To my mind the major problem is this; because we are bombarded with government decisions form a top heavy government, with newspapers and ourselves blaming this or that on everyone else, because we don't expect ourselves as individuals to have enough self discipline. Responsibility for ones own actions/ones own community/surroundings is not given enough weight.

When a hole appears in the cobbles outside my house should I whinge that the council/government/Europe are taking too long to fix it? I don't think so.
I take a bit of left over cement out there and pop the flippin' thing back in myself. It takes no time. If someone's dropped a crisp packet or a cig packet in the street I pick it up on the way to the bins. It's one or two bends... nothing more. If there's a bit of graffiti appeared on a pole outside my house I clean it off. It's a pain but it doesn't escalate then. It's the same with childcare. If we teach our children core values our kids will grow up with morals/work ethic etc. If we expect teachers to try and do that in the middle of crowded disruptive lessons. They will always be crowded and disruptive because our kids will be part of it.

If we wait for the government to get around to everything we want...and then complain about high taxes and top heavy government. We have only ourselves to blame.
However the Government (both in England and Spain)is already wayyy too big and it's hard to reverse. That's what's known as 'The nanny state'. It may be too late for us to learn the meaning of individual and collective responsibility until there is a war/revolution of some kind. That's what saddens me. If you get used to a 'nanny' you do find it difficult to stand on your own feet.

And me. Until they were caught, they were all loving it, one girl, (the Olympic representative?) was telling everyone it was the best day of her life. Others delighted in telling everyone how they could do what they like, even if we get caught, so what, I'll get an ASBO, I can live with that! Personally I'd like to see a minimum 6 month sentence for all, and more for the more serious crimes. Let them learn they can't do what they like. BY chance flicking around the TV channels last night I came across a sort of junior Question Time, for youngsters, if that's the future, I despair. Nice to see that decent people, disgusted by the behaviour of the yobs, contributed £22,000 towards the Malaysian youth.

The part about mending holes in the road before it gets too big to do it yourself, seems a long way off the problem of rioters and looters and society in general.

But it is how things should have been done from the start. Children should be corrected and guided over the little things from a young age. The bigger issues would then bejust a smallish step on from the normal way of rearing the child.

If I see someone who eats in a piggy way, not using a knife and fork properly for example, I do start with a sort of negative image of them, because I wonderhow their parents let such a thing slip by without correcting it.

It seems "back to basics" is the way to go.

A huge task as there are so many whose parents have not even taught their children the "niceties" needed to live in society and be able to enter into the wider stream of it, instead of being stuck in the reduced world of benefit claimants comfort zone.

Allvery sad.

This is so true. If parents gave their child time and effort from an early age they would reap the benefits later but so many parents just do not bother.

Rosemary