Another Sad Incident
Sep 5th 2009 | 2:45 am
#76
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Re: Another Sad Incident
I hate the way we are thought of as being a species apart, as though we are not on the same wavelength as the British.
The Spanish are just people, and phrases like "i get on well with them" does not make any sense.
It is like saying that you get on with Londeners, impossible, you will like some, dislike some, and hate others.
It sounds as though you are talking as if it is a special skill to get on with the Spanish, like snake handling.
You get on well with the people you get on well with (I hope you can understand what I am trying to say) whatever the nationality.
And you dont get on with the ones you dont get on with.
Of course there are Spanish who dont like Brits, there are Brits who dont like some Brits, Spanish that dont like some Spanish, Italians that dont like some Italians.
There are dogs that dont like some dogs, lions that dont like some lions, need I go on?
There are loads of Spanish I dont get on with and loads of Brits for that matter.
But it is a people thing, not a Spanish or racist thing.
Most British families would rather stay in a hotel with Spanish families, than a hotel with crowds of Brits on stag weekends.
It is not usually nationality that divides the people, it is the difference is lifestyle and the places the frequent, that is the great divider.
A middle aged Spanish woman would have more in common with a middle aged British woman than with an 18 year Spanish guy.
Just because you speak Spanish does not mean that you understand US, because what I am trying to say is that we are the same as the British, Italians, Americans etc.
We dont hate or like the British anymore than they like or hate us.
I dont know if I have explained myself very well, but sometimes I feel that the Spanish are viewed as some sort of (enigma)?
And we are just people, no more, no less.
The Spanish are just people, and phrases like "i get on well with them" does not make any sense.
It is like saying that you get on with Londeners, impossible, you will like some, dislike some, and hate others.
It sounds as though you are talking as if it is a special skill to get on with the Spanish, like snake handling.
You get on well with the people you get on well with (I hope you can understand what I am trying to say) whatever the nationality.
And you dont get on with the ones you dont get on with.
Of course there are Spanish who dont like Brits, there are Brits who dont like some Brits, Spanish that dont like some Spanish, Italians that dont like some Italians.
There are dogs that dont like some dogs, lions that dont like some lions, need I go on?
There are loads of Spanish I dont get on with and loads of Brits for that matter.
But it is a people thing, not a Spanish or racist thing.
Most British families would rather stay in a hotel with Spanish families, than a hotel with crowds of Brits on stag weekends.
It is not usually nationality that divides the people, it is the difference is lifestyle and the places the frequent, that is the great divider.
A middle aged Spanish woman would have more in common with a middle aged British woman than with an 18 year Spanish guy.
Just because you speak Spanish does not mean that you understand US, because what I am trying to say is that we are the same as the British, Italians, Americans etc.
We dont hate or like the British anymore than they like or hate us.
I dont know if I have explained myself very well, but sometimes I feel that the Spanish are viewed as some sort of (enigma)?
And we are just people, no more, no less.
Sep 5th 2009 | 3:36 am
#77
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Re: Another Sad Incident
The Spanish are just people, and phrases like "i get on well with them" does not make any sense
It makes perfect sense to me, especially when someone claims I don't like them. If I disliked them, then there's no way "I'd get on well with them". It's a generalisation, of course, there's probably lots out there I might not get on with, but to date, no major problems.
Sep 5th 2009 | 3:39 am
#78
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Re: Another Sad Incident
I think that internet forums such as this provide an invaluable service to the million Brits already here and those about to come and join us. But all those Brits need balanced advice, not the kind that glorifies everything Spanish, nor the bitterness of those for whom the Spanish experience hasn’t worked.
This thread is a minute but perfect example, even though the topic is a sad one. The underlying, filtered advice seems to be, be careful, not all Spanish people will welcome you with open arms, and not all places are safe.
All the other advice about form filling, getting your telephone connected and applying for your residencia is important too, but not as important as personal safety matters.
This thread is a minute but perfect example, even though the topic is a sad one. The underlying, filtered advice seems to be, be careful, not all Spanish people will welcome you with open arms, and not all places are safe.
All the other advice about form filling, getting your telephone connected and applying for your residencia is important too, but not as important as personal safety matters.
Sep 5th 2009 | 5:44 am
#79
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Re: Another Sad Incident
These threads all end up the same because some posters cannot discuss anything in spain without "what about the UK then"
Usually helped on by some spanish (sic!!) posters who seem to know more about the UK than their own country, all in excellent English too
One spaniard commented that they burn tramps in the UK, ever read your own national press? It's a national pastime in the big Cities, including málaga and Madrid. Do a search you should be able to understand better than us.
If you were attacked by some spanish Guiri hater, would you turn the other cheek and blame the other yob brits. If they don't know you and you are in the next village they won't know you are one of the "right sort" of brits will they.
Usually helped on by some spanish (sic!!) posters who seem to know more about the UK than their own country, all in excellent English too
One spaniard commented that they burn tramps in the UK, ever read your own national press? It's a national pastime in the big Cities, including málaga and Madrid. Do a search you should be able to understand better than us.If you were attacked by some spanish Guiri hater, would you turn the other cheek and blame the other yob brits. If they don't know you and you are in the next village they won't know you are one of the "right sort" of brits will they.
Sep 5th 2009 | 5:46 am
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Re: Another Sad Incident
These threads all end up the same because some posters cannot discuss anything in spain without "what about the UK then"
Usually helped on by some spanish (sic!!) posters who seem to know more about the UK than their own country, all in excellent English too One spaniard commented that they burn tramps in the UK, ever read your own national press? It's a national pastime in the big Cities, including málaga and Madrid. Do a search you should be able to understand better than us.
If you were attacked by some spanish Guiri hater, would you turn the other cheek and blame the other yob brits. If they don't know you and you are in the next village they won't know you are one of the "right sort" of brits will they.
Usually helped on by some spanish (sic!!) posters who seem to know more about the UK than their own country, all in excellent English too
One spaniard commented that they burn tramps in the UK, ever read your own national press? It's a national pastime in the big Cities, including málaga and Madrid. Do a search you should be able to understand better than us.If you were attacked by some spanish Guiri hater, would you turn the other cheek and blame the other yob brits. If they don't know you and you are in the next village they won't know you are one of the "right sort" of brits will they.
Just as some English are fully fluent in Spanish
Last edited by JLFS; Sep 5th 2009 at 5:49 am.
Sep 5th 2009 | 6:36 am
#81
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Re: Another Sad Incident
Yes, how would they know if you were the ‘right sort’ of Brit? There might be some obvious signs, like grey hair and an unsteady gait, but that unsteady gait could be misinterpreted.
Especially in recent years, there are a great number of Spanish people, possibly with one English parent, whose English is totally fluent and at a far higher level than a lot of other posters, who perhaps haven’t studied their own language to the same degree. The same applies the other way round, and all those people especially are well worth listening to.
They are lucky enough to know both cultures, and I would prefer their advice to that from someone like me, who knows little of Spanish culture, but I’m trying to learn more.
I suppose I’m trying to be the ‘right sort’ of Brit, what a perfect way to explain things.
Especially in recent years, there are a great number of Spanish people, possibly with one English parent, whose English is totally fluent and at a far higher level than a lot of other posters, who perhaps haven’t studied their own language to the same degree. The same applies the other way round, and all those people especially are well worth listening to.
They are lucky enough to know both cultures, and I would prefer their advice to that from someone like me, who knows little of Spanish culture, but I’m trying to learn more.
I suppose I’m trying to be the ‘right sort’ of Brit, what a perfect way to explain things.
Sep 5th 2009 | 8:55 am
#82
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Re: Another Sad Incident
¿Son los ingleses borrachos mas violentos que los españoles borrachos?.
They group as all together, as one nation, not as individuals. Similarly, they are asking, ¿cómo son los ingleses e irlandeses? as if we are a species apart!
Sep 5th 2009 | 10:08 am
#83
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Re: Another Sad Incident
We are, in just the same way as the Andalucians are apart from the Catalunians. I'm writing without the spellcheck, and apologise, but I'm a minute away from going up to the noisy karaoke pub, it's going to keep me awake anyway, so I might as well join them.
I can only hope that I don't hear My Way, or the Green Green Grass of Home. I feel sick.
I can only hope that I don't hear My Way, or the Green Green Grass of Home. I feel sick.
Sep 5th 2009 | 6:01 pm
#84
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Re: Another Sad Incident
I hate the way we are thought of as being a species apart, as though we are not on the same wavelength as the British.
The Spanish are just people, and phrases like "i get on well with them" does not make any sense.
It is like saying that you get on with Londeners, impossible, you will like some, dislike some, and hate others.
It sounds as though you are talking as if it is a special skill to get on with the Spanish, like snake handling.
You get on well with the people you get on well with (I hope you can understand what I am trying to say) whatever the nationality.
And you dont get on with the ones you dont get on with.
Of course there are Spanish who dont like Brits, there are Brits who dont like some Brits, Spanish that dont like some Spanish, Italians that dont like some Italians.
There are dogs that dont like some dogs, lions that dont like some lions, need I go on?
There are loads of Spanish I dont get on with and loads of Brits for that matter.
But it is a people thing, not a Spanish or racist thing.
Most British families would rather stay in a hotel with Spanish families, than a hotel with crowds of Brits on stag weekends.
It is not usually nationality that divides the people, it is the difference is lifestyle and the places the frequent, that is the great divider.
A middle aged Spanish woman would have more in common with a middle aged British woman than with an 18 year Spanish guy.
Just because you speak Spanish does not mean that you understand US, because what I am trying to say is that we are the same as the British, Italians, Americans etc.
We dont hate or like the British anymore than they like or hate us.
I dont know if I have explained myself very well, but sometimes I feel that the Spanish are viewed as some sort of (enigma)?
And we are just people, no more, no less.
The Spanish are just people, and phrases like "i get on well with them" does not make any sense.
It is like saying that you get on with Londeners, impossible, you will like some, dislike some, and hate others.
It sounds as though you are talking as if it is a special skill to get on with the Spanish, like snake handling.
You get on well with the people you get on well with (I hope you can understand what I am trying to say) whatever the nationality.
And you dont get on with the ones you dont get on with.
Of course there are Spanish who dont like Brits, there are Brits who dont like some Brits, Spanish that dont like some Spanish, Italians that dont like some Italians.
There are dogs that dont like some dogs, lions that dont like some lions, need I go on?
There are loads of Spanish I dont get on with and loads of Brits for that matter.
But it is a people thing, not a Spanish or racist thing.
Most British families would rather stay in a hotel with Spanish families, than a hotel with crowds of Brits on stag weekends.
It is not usually nationality that divides the people, it is the difference is lifestyle and the places the frequent, that is the great divider.
A middle aged Spanish woman would have more in common with a middle aged British woman than with an 18 year Spanish guy.
Just because you speak Spanish does not mean that you understand US, because what I am trying to say is that we are the same as the British, Italians, Americans etc.
We dont hate or like the British anymore than they like or hate us.
I dont know if I have explained myself very well, but sometimes I feel that the Spanish are viewed as some sort of (enigma)?
And we are just people, no more, no less.
There is of everything. There are people that acts individually, and there are cowards that act in groups. But that happens here, China or any other country. I know the case of several young boys (there was also girls) that in UK at night, they killed beggars. And it is something recent. The cowardice and the wickedness don't have nationality
What has happened to this British one could have happened to another person, native or of any other nationality. The attackers were mob with desires of fight, but personally I don't have constancy that this is usual among Spaniards and British
What has happened to this British one could have happened to another person, native or of any other nationality. The attackers were mob with desires of fight, but personally I don't have constancy that this is usual among Spaniards and British
at first I thought - here we go again - the British press blaming the spanish & vice versa
then I took 'race' out of it
2 guys at it with prostitutes in a doorway - wrong
some other guys 'have a go at them' (verbally initially) understandable
these guys throw eggs & stones at the guys in the doorway - what are they doing with eggs in their pockets at 4.30am? up to 'mischief'? so another wrong
the guys in the doorway retaliate - understandable
so they all get into a fight & one guy very sadly ends up dead
lots of wrong there - but just another booze-fuelled 'saturday night fight' with a tragic ending that could have happened anywhere
Sep 6th 2009 | 12:21 am
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Sep 6th 2009 | 2:39 am
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Re: Another Sad Incident
These threads all end up the same because some posters cannot discuss anything in spain without "what about the UK then"
Usually helped on by some spanish (sic!!) posters who seem to know more about the UK than their own country, all in excellent English too:unsure: One spaniard commented that they burn tramps in the UK, ever read your own national press? It's a national pastime in the big Cities, including málaga and Madrid. Do a search you should be able to understand better than us.
If you were attacked by some spanish Guiri hater, would you turn the other cheek and blame the other yob brits. If they don't know you and you are in the next village they won't know you are one of the "right sort" of brits will they.
Usually helped on by some spanish (sic!!) posters who seem to know more about the UK than their own country, all in excellent English too:unsure: One spaniard commented that they burn tramps in the UK, ever read your own national press? It's a national pastime in the big Cities, including málaga and Madrid. Do a search you should be able to understand better than us.
If you were attacked by some spanish Guiri hater, would you turn the other cheek and blame the other yob brits. If they don't know you and you are in the next village they won't know you are one of the "right sort" of brits will they.
I am a bit puzzled about about the above comment about the level of English of some Spanish posters on here, as if inferring something not quite right about it.
Most parents who bring their young children to Spain and wonder if they will get to grips with the language, well I was one of those kids who had to learn a foreign language.
I think I managed very well.
Last edited by JLFS; Sep 6th 2009 at 2:57 am.
