Animal barbarism in Spain
Dec 17th 2009, 2:32 pm
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We're a bunch of sadohs having arguments about absolutely nothing at all. What sad lives we lead cos we obviously cant find anything better to do.
My excuse is it gives me a brief respite from working, but its just not interesting any more.
Dec 17th 2009, 2:36 pm
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As was this until the fake Spaniard popped in to slag me off and turn this into a "them and us" thread
as most know on here will know I love a good discussion about this subject as I have some pretty strong views about what constitutes animal cruelty, not least that I personally don't think that bull fighting is cruel.
as most know on here will know I love a good discussion about this subject as I have some pretty strong views about what constitutes animal cruelty, not least that I personally don't think that bull fighting is cruel.
Dec 17th 2009, 2:41 pm
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As was this until the fake Spaniard popped in to slag me off and turn this into a "them and us" thread
as most know on here will know I love a good discussion about this subject as I have some pretty strong views about what constitutes animal cruelty, not least that I personally don't think that bull fighting is cruel.
as most know on here will know I love a good discussion about this subject as I have some pretty strong views about what constitutes animal cruelty, not least that I personally don't think that bull fighting is cruel.
Dec 17th 2009, 2:43 pm
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Dec 17th 2009, 2:46 pm
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Dec 17th 2009, 2:58 pm
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There is no disguising what is happening in the Spanish, what we call "bull fighters" in English are called "killers" in Spanish "matadores" and the "picadillos" who are kind of like "stabbers".
The bulls are thought of as "noble" beasts and are treated just like nobles during their life. Some may say that the bulls are just fulfilling their destiny because the type of bulls have been bred throughout history to fulfill their role, just as we have bred animals to eat or give milk.
I have to say I hated the idea of bullfights, but after learning a little about them and watching on TV, it truely is an art. I liken the toreros to male flamenco dancers. They are masculin, skilled, brave and graceful all at the same time.
Dec 17th 2009, 3:01 pm
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Dec 17th 2009, 3:04 pm
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Well, it isnt called a bull fight in Spanish. It is the "corrida de toros" which is kind of like a "bull run". This is because during fiesta time there is the running of the bulls through the village streets into the bullring
There is no disguising what is happening in the Spanish, what we call "bull fighters" in English are called "killers" in Spanish "matadores" and the "picadillos" who are kind of like "stabbers".
The bulls are thought of as "noble" beasts and are treated just like nobles during their life. Some may say that the bulls are just fulfilling their destiny because the type of bulls have been bred throughout history to fulfill their role, just as we have bred animals to eat or give milk.
I have to say I hated the idea of bullfights, but after learning a little about them and watching on TV, it truely is an art. I liken the toreros to male flamenco dancers. They are masculin, skilled, brave and graceful all at the same time.
There is no disguising what is happening in the Spanish, what we call "bull fighters" in English are called "killers" in Spanish "matadores" and the "picadillos" who are kind of like "stabbers".
The bulls are thought of as "noble" beasts and are treated just like nobles during their life. Some may say that the bulls are just fulfilling their destiny because the type of bulls have been bred throughout history to fulfill their role, just as we have bred animals to eat or give milk.
I have to say I hated the idea of bullfights, but after learning a little about them and watching on TV, it truely is an art. I liken the toreros to male flamenco dancers. They are masculin, skilled, brave and graceful all at the same time.
Probably not. We wouldn't really eat much if we had to chase chickens, cows lambs and pigs around - gracefully and skilfully - would we 
Dec 17th 2009, 3:10 pm
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Thats fine but as has already been suggested maybe the real issue is the way meat is reared across the world, I mean OK, a few hundred bulls die in Spain, Mexico, Portugal and France, but billions of animals live in absolute misery every year and no one actually cares so long as they get cheap food.
Dec 17th 2009, 3:13 pm
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Thats fine but as has already been suggested maybe the real issue is the way meat is reared across the world, I mean OK, a few hundred bulls die in Spain, Mexico, Portugal and France, but billions of animals live in absolute misery every year and no one actually cares so long as they get cheap food.
Dec 17th 2009, 3:16 pm
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I quite agree with you. And I don't understand how the UK has laws on animal farming but have no problem importing meat from countries with little or no laws whatsoever (other countries probably do this too but I know the UK market that's why I use it before anybody jumps on me). It all comes down to greed I suppose, especially for wealthy countries.
Dec 17th 2009, 3:16 pm
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Thats fine but as has already been suggested maybe the real issue is the way meat is reared across the world, I mean OK, a few hundred bulls die in Spain, Mexico, Portugal and France, but billions of animals live in absolute misery every year and no one actually cares so long as they get cheap food.
Absolutely. The bulls have such a better life than the vast majority of meet and dairy animals have
Another reason why I like to eat good quality jamon de bellota. They are completely free range and feed on acorns that fall of the trees. Much better than eating pigs that have been kept in stalls, on concrete, in filth, both ethically and for the taste buds!
Dec 17th 2009, 3:19 pm
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Its all about trade, countries backs have to be scratched and unfortunately we all pay the price, thankfully it may all change now with the Chinese signing trade deals for meat with Argentina and Brazil, we may well start to value the livestock farmers here in the UK and supporting the outstanding job they do...
Dec 17th 2009, 3:19 pm
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Absolutely. The bulls have such a better life than the vast majority of meet and dairy animals have
Another reason why I like to eat good quality jamon de bellota. They are completely free range and feed on acorns that fall of the trees. Much better than eating pigs that have been kept in stalls, on concrete, in filth, both ethically and for the taste buds!