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Animal barbarism in Spain

Old Dec 17th 2009, 3:20 pm
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Absolutely. The bulls have such a better life than the vast majority of meet and dairy animals have



I believe they do too but it's just the method of slaughter I have a bit of a problem with. Having said that, I respect the right of the Spanish to follow their traditions absolutely. I just don't want to watch one.
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It`s not a new thing though, one of my first jobs working in the heating and plumbing trade was to put in huge height adjustable heating elements into chicken battery houses.
This was 50 years ago.
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Old Dec 17th 2009, 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt
Its all down to money, people want cheap food, they want to gorge themselves for next to nothing and the only way they can is by allowing their own morals to be compromised and pretend that its all OK because they are not having to face the harsh facts of life in commercial farms.
Yes. I think the way we have fallen out of touch with the ways of the country and farming is actually dangerous and has led to a drop in the quality of life for both humans and animals.

When talking about food, meat and fruit/vegetables, it really shouldnt be about which is the cheapest. We spend less on our food nowadays then we ever have done (as a proportion of total income). People expect to spend less and less every year so the food quality is getting worse and worse.
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It`s not a new thing though, one of my first jobs working in the heating and plumbing trade was to put in huge height adjustable heating elements into chicken battery houses.
This was 50 years ago.
Absolutely, industrialised farming in the UK started after the second world war, as the government wanted to increase yields in order to feed the population without relying on imports.

And as the UK had its first industrial revolution hundreds of years ago, the British working class of the cities (not the country!) haven't eaten well for hundreds of years. This contibutes to the lack of knowledge about food in the UK among the wider society.
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt
Its all down to money,
..and talking about money, although there are many millions of non Spanish that hate bullfighting, they'd be even more upset if they knew that indirectly they are helping to pay for it in the form of EU grant of €600 million. That's a lot of subsidy! perhaps they'd like to subsidise a few foxes and hares!
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..and talking about money, although there are many millions of non Spanish that hate bullfighting, they'd be even more upset if they knew that indirectly they are helping to pay for it in the form of EU grant of €600 million. That's a lot of subsidy! perhaps they'd like to subsidise a few foxes and hares!
I hear the pitter patter of tiny xenophobic feet!!!!
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After reading all of this rubbish that hasnt got anything to do with animals other than that of the human variety.
I am so glad that I realise the importance of animal companionship because my cat acts better than you lot squabbling on this forum.
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Old Dec 17th 2009, 4:26 pm
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Originally Posted by paintermujer
After reading all of this rubbish that hasnt got anything to do with animals other than that of the human variety.
I am so glad that I realise the importance of animal companionship because my cat acts better than you lot squabbling on this forum.
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt
Can I just say, I think its great that, in just a few posts this has turned into a "them and us" thread, not one bit of my original post did I suggest that the Spaniards are savage or barbaric, but because some wanted to believe they were, and others wanted to have a go at me you all read into it what you wanted... brilliant people, absolutely brilliant!

I love being ill, it means I can actually spend some time on here!
I can see it has been a long term illness then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hope you get well and up and about soon................
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Originally Posted by agoreira
Even by your biased, one eyed opinions, that's some statement. I think I have heard it all now, all Barcelona dogs look as if they have been on happy pills, and British dogs have all been on the grumpy pills! You couldn't make it up!
It could be beacuse they are all sick of Gordon Brown and they could be depressed about the MPs expenses...............
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After reading all of this rubbish that hasnt got anything to do with animals other than that of the human variety.
I am so glad that I realise the importance of animal companionship because my cat acts better than you lot squabbling on this forum.
How do you know the cat isn't looking at you and thnking, "What a plonker"?
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt
As was this until the fake Spaniard popped in to slag me off and turn this into a "them and us" thread

as most know on here will know I love a good discussion about this subject as I have some pretty strong views about what constitutes animal cruelty, not least that I personally don't think that bull fighting is cruel.
I think bull fighting is F**k**g barbaric and so do most of my family in Galicia, it is not a northern thing, anyway, like flamenco.

It is not cruel to stab a magnificent beast untill he is weak with loss of blood, and then a ponce in a cape, does a few twirls, a bit of fancy footwork, a bit of arm waving.
Due to his skill the poor animal dies............as I said before f**k**g disgusting, art my a**e, entertainment, bollocks.
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I think bull fighting is F**k**g barbaric and so do most of my family in Galicia, it is not a northern thing, anyway, like flamenco.

It is not cruel to stab a magnificent beast untill he is weak with loss of blood, and then a ponce in a cape, does a few twirls, a bit of fancy footwork, a bit of arm waving.
Due to his skill the poor animal dies............as I said before f**k**g disgusting, art my a**e, entertainment, bollocks.
You have anger management issues don't you?

Granted from an outside perspective it looks cruel, but I very much doubt you have spent too much time watching it or trying to understand it, and thats fine but it does leave you a little short to be able to comment don't you think?
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You have anger management issues don't you?

Granted from an outside perspective it looks cruel, but I very much doubt you have spent too much time watching it or trying to understand it, and thats fine but it does leave you a little short to be able to comment don't you think?

Not at all, no anger issues, but I dont like being lumped in together with the Spanish who think bull fighting is a sport.................If it were up to me Fran, Cayetano and the others would be out of a job..

I dont watch beheadings on the internet either, but that does not mean that I cannot comment on the subject, though.
Not into child porn, but can still have an opinion about it.

And what gives you the right to say that I cannot have a vailid opinion on what goes on in MY OWN COUNTRY.


And before you call me a fake Spaniard like you just did to Relampago, remember it is not big and its not clever.
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Not at all, no anger issues, but I dont like being lumped in together with the Spanish who think bull fighting is a sport.................If it were up to me Fran, Cayetano and the others would be out of a job..

I dont watch beheadings on the internet either, but that does not mean that I cannot comment on the subject, though.
Not into child porn, but can still have an opinion about it.

And what gives you the right to say that I cannot have a vailid opinion on what goes on in MY OWN COUNTRY.


And before you call me a fake Spaniard like you just did to Relampago, remember it is not big and its not clever.
Maybe I know a bit more about him than you do, ever thought of that?

I never said you couldn't have an opinion, I said that because you chose not to have anything to do with it it left you a little short to be able to comment, thats all... and to be honest the whole swearing thing and your subsequent aggressive replies does show you have a couple of anger issues. I also fail to see why you felt the need to make the comment that I multi-quoted first but there you go...

Now do you have anything else to add, you know, aside from profanities and aggression?
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