Violence in the UK
Jul 6th 2009, 6:44 am
#31
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Re: Violence in the UK
all the inbreds attack eachother???
Jul 6th 2009, 10:26 am
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Re: Violence in the UK
It's the old "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument (the NRA love that one). I concede that there is some truth in that, and when you consider Canada and places like that you have to wonder, but it's not clear-cut. Where there are such obvious cultural issues, easy access to guns doesn't really help, and I've heard people suggesting giving all pupils in a school a gun...well, that's ridiculous. And if you put a monkey with an automatic weapon in a crowded place I wonder what would happen...(Thanks to Eddie Izzard 
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)The issue is people though ultimately - if people act like monkeys we'll have problems. If people are educated, disciplined and have proper checks and training before being able to legal own firearms there'd be less problems. There would be even fewer problems if they tackled gang culture and included stronger cultural context in the education system.
Murders will still happen regardless of guns or no guns though. And criminals will always be able to get guns because that's what criminals do - they break the law.
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Jul 6th 2009, 10:34 am
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Re: Violence in the UK
Interestingly gun crime has dropped in US states where citizens with no criminal record of good standing are allowed to apply for concealed firearms permits. Maybe because the bad guys don't know who's packing heat and who isn't.
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Jul 6th 2009, 12:39 pm
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Re: Violence in the UK
I think guns do kill people. So do cars, knives, bombs, chairs, dogs and fatty foods (number one killer in fact).
The issue is people though ultimately - if people act like monkeys we'll have problems. If people are educated, disciplined and have proper checks and training before being able to legal own firearms there'd be less problems. There would be even fewer problems if they tackled gang culture and included stronger cultural context in the education system.
Murders will still happen regardless of guns or no guns though. And criminals will always be able to get guns because that's what criminals do - they break the law.
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The issue is people though ultimately - if people act like monkeys we'll have problems. If people are educated, disciplined and have proper checks and training before being able to legal own firearms there'd be less problems. There would be even fewer problems if they tackled gang culture and included stronger cultural context in the education system.
Murders will still happen regardless of guns or no guns though. And criminals will always be able to get guns because that's what criminals do - they break the law.
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Jul 6th 2009, 12:49 pm
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Re: Violence in the UK
Canada has fewer ghettos and generally better integration plus a health service and a smaller wealth-poverty gap than the USA as well as more restrictions on who can own guns, where you can buy them and who can buy ammo...
Interestingly gun crime has dropped in US states where citizens with no criminal record of good standing are allowed to apply for concealed firearms permits. Maybe because the bad guys don't know who's packing heat and who isn't.
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Interestingly gun crime has dropped in US states where citizens with no criminal record of good standing are allowed to apply for concealed firearms permits. Maybe because the bad guys don't know who's packing heat and who isn't.
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If that sort of approach really does work then perhaps we could legalise the use of carrying kitchen knifes for anyone living in Glasgow as the city has the highest knife crime in Europe?
