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scrubbedexpat141 Apr 18th 2017 7:57 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 12232384)
You believed what they wrote on the bus, didn't you?

:rofl::rofl:

LouisB Apr 18th 2017 7:58 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 12232384)
You believed what they wrote on the bus, didn't you?

😂

ExpatAl Apr 18th 2017 9:11 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 12232384)
You believed what they wrote on the bus, didn't you?

I've never understood all the furore surrounding the bus and the £350mil. The phrase 'let's fund our NHS instead' is purely suggestive highlighting the good that can be done with redistributing EU contributions to other more deserving causes. I can't imagine many people were naive enough to think every penny in savings would go to the NHS? (Despite Remainers constantly bleating that people were misled by this statement...)


Back on the topic of the snap election, the Tories seem like the only viable option to vote for by having a united party. Labour still suffers from multiple issues including infighting amongst hardcore Corbynites/Momentum and progressive Blairite types, constant anti-Semitic scandals and a leader who 'might be a nice bloke' but lacks the charisma and conviction of a statesman. A man who has been on the sidelines for decades in a comfortable Labour seat attending rallies and protests but never leading. Only person worse for the job would be to elect Diane Abbott (lol)

Lib Dems, still a poor reputation from their coalition government with the Tories. United on one topic (Brexit) but lack any other notable policies or strengths.

UKIP, since Farage leaving, left a leadership black hole with Paul Nuttall performing miserably. With Brexit on the way and May taking on a tough stance in negotiations, many UKIP voters (who traditionally would be Tory Eurosceptics) will go back to voting Blue.

Bahtatboy Apr 18th 2017 9:42 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by ExpatAl (Post 12232476)
I've never understood all the furore surrounding the bus and the £350mil. The phrase 'let's fund our NHS instead' is purely suggestive ...

Then you're a deluded twat.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/d...x7Vh5dC_YU.jpg

weasel decentral Apr 18th 2017 9:43 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by dominoman (Post 12232355)
They're the ones on the Titanic heading straight towards the iceberg. Britain is already on board the lifeboat.

I'm neutral either way, just curious what you believe the iceberg is, that is going to sink Europe?

LouisB Apr 18th 2017 9:45 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by weasel decentral (Post 12232508)
I'm neutral either way, just curious what you believe the iceberg is, that is going to sink Europe?

The daily express 😂🤦‍♂️

ExpatAl Apr 18th 2017 9:51 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 12232504)

Lol no need to get shirty. It was not a pledge. It did not say 'We will give our NHS £350mil'. I refuse to believe that anybody would believe that statement wholeheartedly, it's another argument by Remainers to patronise Leave voters that they were misled

DXBtoDOH Apr 18th 2017 9:53 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 
Even if you take the more accurate figure of around £175 million per week, that's still something the NHS would greatly appreciate. Don't fall into the trap of attacking the messenger rather than the real meaning of the message.


Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 12232504)


weasel decentral Apr 18th 2017 9:54 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by ExpatAl (Post 12232514)
Lol no need to get shirty. It was not a pledge. It did not say 'We will give our NHS £350mil'. I refuse to believe that anybody would believe that statement wholeheartedly, it's another argument by Remainers to patronise Leave voters that they were misled

Is the figure of £350m per week actually true, regardless of where it is pledged to?

LouisB Apr 18th 2017 9:56 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by DXBtoDOH (Post 12232516)
Even if you take the more accurate figure of around £175 million per week, that's still something the NHS would greatly appreciate. Don't fall into the trap of attacking the messenger rather than the real meaning of the message.

Key point missed here, there is no money. Never was.

Brexit will not save us any money. It will cost us money. The harder it is, the most it will cost.

Will believe otherwise when the money shows up, that is not just being syphoned off of more national debt used to pay for brexit itself.

Bahtatboy Apr 18th 2017 9:56 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by ExpatAl (Post 12232514)
Lol no need to get shirty. It was not a pledge. It did not say 'We will give our NHS £350mil'. I refuse to believe that anybody would believe that statement wholeheartedly, it's another argument by Remainers to patronise Leave voters that they were misled

QED

LouisB Apr 18th 2017 10:05 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by ExpatAl (Post 12232514)
Lol no need to get shirty. It was not a pledge. It did not say 'We will give our NHS £350mil'. I refuse to believe that anybody would believe that statement wholeheartedly, it's another argument by Remainers to patronise Leave voters that they were misled

Certainly some people were mislead, they've been saying so since the idea was abandoned. Similarly some people fell for invasion of immigrants, dictatorship EU and Turkey joining cons too.

In a ref where ONLY 600k people needed to change their minds, some people is too many...

Bahtatboy Apr 18th 2017 10:09 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by ExpatAl (Post 12232514)
Lol no need to get shirty. It was not a pledge...

Ok then, pick a date in your diary when you’ve got something really important on. Instead, I’ll invite you to an all-expenses-paid day out for you and your wife/partner/gf on my yacht, let’s crack open my 1966 vintage port, I’ll stump up for Rihanna to sing for us, and let’s have a rollicking good time. (Actually it’s a rowing boat on the canal in Stoke, my home brew and a tone-deaf, balding crooner reject from the X Factor. But let’s not allow my lies to get in the way of things.)

scrubbedexpat141 Apr 18th 2017 10:20 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by ExpatAl (Post 12232514)
Lol no need to get shirty. It was not a pledge. It did not say 'We will give our NHS £350mil'. I refuse to believe that anybody would believe that statement wholeheartedly, it's another argument by Remainers to patronise Leave voters that they were misled


Originally Posted by DXBtoDOH (Post 12232516)
Even if you take the more accurate figure of around £175 million per week, that's still something the NHS would greatly appreciate. Don't fall into the trap of attacking the messenger rather than the real meaning of the message.

Why it's so hard to accept is beyond me.
If you both promise that you didn't believe it - that's fine - but many, many people did and accepted it as fact. Denying that is just downright stupid....which then makes the ability to be truthful in your original promise extremely suspect.

ExpatAl Apr 18th 2017 10:25 pm

Re: Snap Election 8 June!
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12232551)
Why it's so hard to accept is beyond me.
If you both promise that you didn't believe it - that's fine - but many, many people did and accepted it as fact. Denying that is just downright stupid....which then makes the ability to be truthful in your original promise extremely suspect.

Ok - so if you feel people were duped into voting Leave because of claims such as the above, what about the fearmongering and lies from the Remain side? How many people were duped into voting Remain because of the proposed 'Emergency Budget'? The threats from big businesses to cull jobs and move overseas?


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