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Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Originally Posted by Inselaffen
(Post 12237900)
why let the facts get in the way that in the 1930 elections the nazi's gained significant strength and influence with only 18pct of the vote. A FPTP system would have allowed a strong government to stand against their rise and they would never have reached the 33pct they achieved in 1932.
there are many problems with a FPTP system but it's big positive is it allows for the formation of strong stable government. I'm sure many of those favouring PR would not be happy with the representation that would have given UKIP in Parliament. As for FPTP creating strong stable government, that is just a myth with no evidence to support it. Which European country has consistently had the strongest and most stable government since WW2? Hint, the answer is country we have already been discussing and which uses a proportional voting system... As opposed to 1974 in the UK, for example. PR usually produces strong governments because it reflects the actual will of the people even if the process of initially forming governments takes longer. Where there is weakness and instability that is a reflection of the wider political climate rather than the voting system. FPTP often produces false mandates which leads to wild swings in governance and a high degree of alienation as is happening in the US because of the highly gerrymandered congressional FPTP elections. FPTP is far more subject to abuses such as gerrymandering. |
Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Originally Posted by Miss Ann Thrope
(Post 12237938)
Though I oppose UKIP both on grounds of policy and approach, they should have received their fair representation. And ironically, if the last UK election had been under a proportional system it would have allowed the formation of a government which would not have gone ahead with that bone-headed referendum offering a completely false choice.
As for FPTP creating strong stable government, that is just a myth with no evidence to support it. Which European country has consistently had the strongest and most stable government since WW2? Hint, the answer is country we have already been discussing and which uses a proportional voting system... As opposed to 1974 in the UK, for example. PR usually produces strong governments because it reflects the actual will of the people even if the process of initially forming governments takes longer. Where there is weakness and instability that is a reflection of the wider political climate rather than the voting system. FPTP often produces false mandates which leads to wild swings in governance and a high degree of alienation as is happening in the US because of the highly gerrymandered congressional FPTP elections. FPTP is far more subject to abuses such as gerrymandering. Please don't say "strong and stable". May has been repeating that phrase constantly and it's getting seriously irritating. |
Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Originally Posted by littlejimmy
(Post 12239442)
:goodpost:
Please don't say "strong and stable". May has been repeating that phrase constantly and it's getting seriously irritating. |
Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Originally Posted by littlejimmy
(Post 12239442)
:goodpost:
Please don't say "strong and stable". May has been repeating that phrase constantly and it's getting seriously irritating. |
Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Hello, hello!
I still look in from time to time to make sure it's not been completely taken over by RWNJs! :D I still have a notion to try living/working in the ME again, like. It's pretty much 10 years since I left Dubai. I've been reading WeaselDCentral's book too, which has fired up some memories. |
Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Originally Posted by littlejimmy
(Post 12240279)
Hello, hello!
I still look in from time to time to make sure it's not been completely taken over by RWNJs! :D I still have a notion to try living/working in the ME again, like. It's pretty much 10 years since I left Dubai. I've been reading WeaselDCentral's book too, which has fired up some memories. Sadly they're losing worldwide now as the more sensible of us can see the error of their ways. |
Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Originally Posted by IKnowNothing
(Post 12240375)
The LWNJ (A person who removes reasoning, logic, and common sense from their decision making process, instead basing their decisions solely on emotional responses) are worse, and they have pretty much the entire worldwide media on their side.
Sadly they're losing worldwide now as the more sensible of us can see the error of their ways. |
Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Originally Posted by littlejimmy
(Post 12241133)
Yeah, OK. Reasoning and logic led us to the Brexit vote and Trump. Of course...
Nice to see you here. |
Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Originally Posted by IKnowNothing
(Post 12240375)
The LWNJ (A person who removes reasoning, logic, and common sense from their decision making process, instead basing their decisions solely on emotional responses) are worse, and they have pretty much the entire worldwide media on their side.
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Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Originally Posted by Scamp
(Post 12241363)
The worst kind of fishing. :zzz:
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Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Originally Posted by Meow
(Post 12241335)
You're not alone although these are dark days for much of the world.
Nice to see you here. |
Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Originally Posted by littlejimmy
(Post 12241473)
You're right scampy, and this old fish should know better than to bite.
BTW, Jimmy's taller than you now.... |
Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Originally Posted by IKnowNothing
(Post 12241482)
Nice to see the Boro beat the scum though, sad you're both going down and we're going the other way....
BTW, Jimmy's taller than you now.... |
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