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Old Sep 17th 2014 | 8:15 pm
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I really am worried about the radical elements of the Yes side if the No wins, especially by a slight majority as the polls are indicating. It will be....interesting to say the least, to watch how they react and it may not be peaceful.

Originally Posted by Norm_uk
I think it's important to keep in mind millions of Scots do not want separation and are loyal to Britain - it will be interesting to see how they are treated if the vote goes against them. Like the other camp they have extremists too...and I know if it kicks off the Unionist camp will have a lot of support from outside Scotland too.
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If this is even slightly representative, let them ****ing leave.

 
Old Sep 17th 2014 | 8:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Ethos82
I really am worried about the radical elements of the Yes side if the No wins, especially by a slight majority as the polls are indicating. It will be....interesting to say the least, to watch how they react and it may not be peaceful.
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Scottish Police Federation » SPF Media Release – Independence Referendum

To: News Editor
Date: 17 September 2014
Subject: Independence Referendum

In response to increased press reports and comment implying increased crime and disorder as a consequence of the Independence Referendum Brian Docherty, Chairman of the Scottish Police Federation said;

“The Police Service of Scotland and the men and women who work in it should not be used as a political football at any time and especially so in these last few hours of the referendum campaign.

As I have previously stated the referendum debate has been robust but overwhelmingly good natured.

It was inevitable that the closer we came to the 18th of September passions would increase but that does not justify the exaggerated rhetoric that is being deployed with increased frequency. Any neutral observer could be led to believe Scotland is on the verge of societal disintegration yet nothing could be further from the truth.

Scotland’s citizens are overwhelmingly law abiding and tolerant and it is preposterous to imply that by placing a cross in a box, our citizens will suddenly abandon the personal virtues and values held dear to them all.

At this time it is more important than ever that individuals be they politicians, journalists or whoever should carefully consider their words, maintain level heads and act with respect. Respect is not demonstrated by suggesting a minority of mindless idiots are representative of anything. One of the many joys of this campaign has been how it has awakened political awareness across almost every single section of society. The success enjoyed by the many should not be sullied by the actions of the few.

Police officers must be kept free from the distractions of rhetoric better suited to the playground that the political stump. If crime has been committed it will be investigated and dealt with appropriately but quite simply police officers have better things to do than officiate in spats on social media and respond to baseless speculation of the potential for disorder on and following polling day”

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You might want to read this rather than the mail

Scottish Police Federation » SPF Media Release – Independence Referendum

To: News Editor
Date: 17 September 2014
Subject: Independence Referendum

In response to increased press reports and comment implying increased crime and disorder as a consequence of the Independence Referendum Brian Docherty, Chairman of the Scottish Police Federation said;

“The Police Service of Scotland and the men and women who work in it should not be used as a political football at any time and especially so in these last few hours of the referendum campaign.

As I have previously stated the referendum debate has been robust but overwhelmingly good natured.

It was inevitable that the closer we came to the 18th of September passions would increase but that does not justify the exaggerated rhetoric that is being deployed with increased frequency. Any neutral observer could be led to believe Scotland is on the verge of societal disintegration yet nothing could be further from the truth.

Scotland’s citizens are overwhelmingly law abiding and tolerant and it is preposterous to imply that by placing a cross in a box, our citizens will suddenly abandon the personal virtues and values held dear to them all.

At this time it is more important than ever that individuals be they politicians, journalists or whoever should carefully consider their words, maintain level heads and act with respect. Respect is not demonstrated by suggesting a minority of mindless idiots are representative of anything. One of the many joys of this campaign has been how it has awakened political awareness across almost every single section of society. The success enjoyed by the many should not be sullied by the actions of the few.

Police officers must be kept free from the distractions of rhetoric better suited to the playground that the political stump. If crime has been committed it will be investigated and dealt with appropriately but quite simply police officers have better things to do than officiate in spats on social media and respond to baseless speculation of the potential for disorder on and following polling day”

ENDS
Ever worked in PR? That to me, who has, sounds exactly as if the police think there is a serious problem and are doing a statement version of 'nothing to see here, move on'.
 
Old Sep 17th 2014 | 8:37 pm
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Ever worked in PR? That to me, who has, sounds exactly as if the police think there is a serious problem and are doing a statement version of 'nothing to see here, move on'.
Or you know maybe there aren't actually riots on the streets and the total breakdown of society

If there was in pretty sure Kay bloody burley would have found it by now
 
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Or you know maybe there aren't actually riots on the streets and the total breakdown of society

If there was in pretty sure Kay bloody burley would have found it by now
I'm sure it's not as dramatic as people make out but I'm correct when I say it's not ****ing utopia of friendly discussions between neighbours either.

The mrs' colleague parents had a brick through a window the other week in Troon for having a No sign up.

There's scumbags everywhere and they'll get the attention more than the normal folk discussing over a pint. Still, it's been a mighty emotive vote and that's from both sides.
 
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I'm sure it's not as dramatic as people make out but I'm correct when I say it's not ****ing utopia of friendly discussions between neighbours either.

The mrs' colleague parents had a brick through a window the other week in Troon for having a No sign up.

There's scumbags everywhere and they'll get the attention more than the normal folk discussing over a pint. Still, it's been a mighty emotive vote and that's from both sides.
In Perthshire there are fisticuffs and vandalism going on. There is a lot of fear.
 
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Shiva, mate, passions have been running very high in the last few days. I've been following all the major broadsheets as well as BBC and ITV. And firsthand accounts from family and friends in Scotland. By far most people are peaceful. 99% of Scotland, sure. But it only takes a handful of jerks to radically make things worse. And unfortunately most of these jerks are on the Yes side. Unfortunately some of it seems deliberately coordinated - such the heckling of UK leaders.

This kind of vote stirs up real passion. It's not always logical or pragmatic. You've exhibited it yourself. I ain't saying we're going to have a civil war on the streets, but when you mix nationalism with deep unhappiness, particularly among young working class men and toss in alcohol in the mix, it can be a recipe for an ugly situation. After all, the UK is the country that gave the world football hooligans.

Here's a pic from the Guardian feed. It's pretty mild. But is shows there's people already pushing the boundaries of vandalism in the name of the Yes vote.
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I really am struggling to be interested.

But, if the answer is yes, then they should be completely cut away - no support. If they vote no, then they should be treated like a disobedient child and have all freedoms removed
 
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Are you talking specifically about recent weeks, or just in general?

Originally Posted by al dente
In Perthshire there are fisticuffs and vandalism going on. There is a lot of fear.
 
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Originally Posted by Ethos82
I ain't saying we're going to have a civil war on the streets, but when you mix nationalism with deep unhappiness, particularly among young working class men and toss in alcohol in the mix, it can be a recipe for an ugly situation. After all, the UK is the country that gave the world football hooligans.
From everything I've read and heard the Yestapo are making No voters keep their heads down and not voice their opinion, display badges, posters etc. on their property because of intimidation. However I cannot envisage that, in the event of a vote to retain the status quo, there will be the equivalent of the London Riots in 2012. Scots Neds are pure dead scum n'at but they're not so stupid as to destroy where they live and where the food banks are.
 
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I really am struggling to be interested.

But, if the answer is yes, then they should be completely cut away - no support. If they vote no, then they should be treated like a disobedient child and have all freedoms removed
A good, clean break would be best. tough love.
 
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Any exit poll links?
 
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Streetwise Scots are voting 'Yo'
 
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So Andy Murray changes to Yes because the No campaign is negative. If his decision-making process isn't much deeper than that, that's like saying Yes to drugs because those against merely point out the down-sides. The union works--not perfectly, but it works--and the disruption and disadvantages breaking it up will cause are, of course, negatives, and the positives of a Yes vote haven't been thought through and are based on half-truths. Utter bollocks.
 


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