Film 2009 onwards....
Jan 17th 2009, 8:32 pm
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Re: Film 2009 onwards....
Thing about Tom Cruise is that his acting is the same, whatever movie he is in.
Even in Tropic Thunder he is Tom Cruise, likewise in Valkryie. His mannerisms, his facial expressions, his way of speaking never changes.
However, Valkryie isn't a bad film at all. I just wish they'd concentrated a bit more on the character development and the dramatics of the attempt. Bearing in mind we know the outcome and that they ultimately fail - it would have been wiser to go a little more in depth about the motivations of the key characters (as my memory of history seems to recall differing rationale).
But as I was pondering this (and how Eddie Izzard did very well in a very dramatic role) I then realised that half of the people in the cinema had probably never even heard of this particular story, which is familiar to a lot of Europeans. So maybe it does (as it is one hollywood film which is historically accurate) serve a real purpose.
Jan 17th 2009, 8:46 pm
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Modern day society is different. Things change, and as you get older you become increasingly marginalised, you can't keep up, are always one step behind the pace, you don't understand things as clearly and also you don't really care any more. In a way you want to stay one step behind if it means you can now resign yourself to going quietly into the night and accepting of your fate.
Tommy Lee Jones' character symbolises this concept, much like his talk of his daddy representing a bygone era. His speech at the end is just a wrapping of the allegorical themes of the film. The Barden character represents the new society that Jones can't understand. He doesn't understand the motives, why things have changed or have to be like that and in the end he doesn't really want to...likewise the Brolin character represents people caught up in the edges of modern society, opportunistic, possibly spending their lives on the run, on the edge, trying to escape but ultimately being caught and paying the price. life/society catches up with you, no matter how fast you run.
Jan 17th 2009, 9:37 pm
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Re: Film 2009 onwards....
In a nutshell.
Modern day society is different. Things change, and as you get older you become increasingly marginalised, you can't keep up, are always one step behind the pace, you don't understand things as clearly and also you don't really care any more. In a way you want to stay one step behind if it means you can now resign yourself to going quietly into the night and accepting of your fate.
Tommy Lee Jones' character symbolises this concept, much like his talk of his daddy representing a bygone era. His speech at the end is just a wrapping of the allegorical themes of the film. The Barden character represents the new society that Jones can't understand. He doesn't understand the motives, why things have changed or have to be like that and in the end he doesn't really want to...likewise the Brolin character represents people caught up in the edges of modern society, opportunistic, possibly spending their lives on the run, on the edge, trying to escape but ultimately being caught and paying the price. life/society catches up with you, no matter how fast you run.
Modern day society is different. Things change, and as you get older you become increasingly marginalised, you can't keep up, are always one step behind the pace, you don't understand things as clearly and also you don't really care any more. In a way you want to stay one step behind if it means you can now resign yourself to going quietly into the night and accepting of your fate.
Tommy Lee Jones' character symbolises this concept, much like his talk of his daddy representing a bygone era. His speech at the end is just a wrapping of the allegorical themes of the film. The Barden character represents the new society that Jones can't understand. He doesn't understand the motives, why things have changed or have to be like that and in the end he doesn't really want to...likewise the Brolin character represents people caught up in the edges of modern society, opportunistic, possibly spending their lives on the run, on the edge, trying to escape but ultimately being caught and paying the price. life/society catches up with you, no matter how fast you run.
do you seriously beleive the writers sat down and wanted to write a story based on the above scenario.....dont make me laugh
It was just a story (a crap one at that), which once made into a film (a crap one at that), was turned into something "deep and meaningful" by people like yourself, who like to look 'deeper" and come up with something which is totally fantasy and nosensical.....no wonder you enjoyed the film so much !
Jan 17th 2009, 9:38 pm
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Jan 17th 2009, 9:39 pm
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what a load of bollocks !
do you seriously beleive the writers sat down and wanted to write a story based on the above scenario.....dont make me laugh
It was just a story (a crap one at that), which once made into a film (a crap one at that), was turned into something "deep and meaningful" by people like yourself, who like to look 'deeper" and come up with something which is totally fantasy and nosensical.....no wonder you enjoyed the film so much !
do you seriously beleive the writers sat down and wanted to write a story based on the above scenario.....dont make me laugh
It was just a story (a crap one at that), which once made into a film (a crap one at that), was turned into something "deep and meaningful" by people like yourself, who like to look 'deeper" and come up with something which is totally fantasy and nosensical.....no wonder you enjoyed the film so much !
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Jan 17th 2009, 9:48 pm
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Jan 17th 2009, 9:53 pm
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Based on your observations. I've made some viewing recommendations for you
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0054315/
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0124909/
They may be hard going for you plot wise, but pretty linear and the themes are clearly spelled out. I think if you put the subtitles it will spell out the difficult words for you.
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0054315/
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0124909/
They may be hard going for you plot wise, but pretty linear and the themes are clearly spelled out. I think if you put the subtitles it will spell out the difficult words for you.
Jan 17th 2009, 10:02 pm
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Re: Film 2009 onwards....
Presepolis is good and I was impressed by Iron Man of late, though one of my favourite films for ages is Superbad... That is one funny film...
Jan 17th 2009, 10:15 pm
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Persepolis is surprisingly accessible. And I like Tropic Thunder much better than most of the recent Stiller movies.
Jan 17th 2009, 10:17 pm
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Re: Film 2009 onwards....
Based on your observations. I've made some viewing recommendations for you
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0054315/
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0124909/
They may be hard going for you plot wise, but pretty linear and the themes are clearly spelled out. I think if you put the subtitles it will spell out the difficult words for you.
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0054315/
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0124909/
They may be hard going for you plot wise, but pretty linear and the themes are clearly spelled out. I think if you put the subtitles it will spell out the difficult words for you.
Jan 17th 2009, 10:42 pm
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Re: Film 2009 onwards....
You could in the first place?
Thing about Tom Cruise is that his acting is the same, whatever movie he is in.
Even in Tropic Thunder he is Tom Cruise, likewise in Valkryie. His mannerisms, his facial expressions, his way of speaking never changes.
However, Valkryie isn't a bad film at all. I just wish they'd concentrated a bit more on the character development and the dramatics of the attempt. Bearing in mind we know the outcome and that they ultimately fail - it would have been wiser to go a little more in depth about the motivations of the key characters (as my memory of history seems to recall differing rationale).
But as I was pondering this (and how Eddie Izzard did very well in a very dramatic role) I then realised that half of the people in the cinema had probably never even heard of this particular story, which is familiar to a lot of Europeans. So maybe it does (as it is one hollywood film which is historically accurate) serve a real purpose.
Thing about Tom Cruise is that his acting is the same, whatever movie he is in.
Even in Tropic Thunder he is Tom Cruise, likewise in Valkryie. His mannerisms, his facial expressions, his way of speaking never changes.
However, Valkryie isn't a bad film at all. I just wish they'd concentrated a bit more on the character development and the dramatics of the attempt. Bearing in mind we know the outcome and that they ultimately fail - it would have been wiser to go a little more in depth about the motivations of the key characters (as my memory of history seems to recall differing rationale).
But as I was pondering this (and how Eddie Izzard did very well in a very dramatic role) I then realised that half of the people in the cinema had probably never even heard of this particular story, which is familiar to a lot of Europeans. So maybe it does (as it is one hollywood film which is historically accurate) serve a real purpose.
Jan 17th 2009, 10:46 pm
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why ayeeeee man!
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Jan 17th 2009, 11:00 pm
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Jan 17th 2009, 11:15 pm
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Re: Film 2009 onwards....
Took my neices to the cinema last night to watch Australia
Biggest load of crap I have seen for a long time and I had to sit there for 2 3/4 hours. Still they enjoyed it, and despite ending up with a numb butt, they were happy, which is all that counts.
Biggest load of crap I have seen for a long time and I had to sit there for 2 3/4 hours. Still they enjoyed it, and despite ending up with a numb butt, they were happy, which is all that counts.
