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Old Jun 26th 2016, 12:21 am
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Originally Posted by Fossildog
Yeah we get it. Everyone who thinks differently from you is a thick, racist bigot. You're attitude is just the sort of condescending, holier than thou, virtue signalling nonsense that has driven voters to vote Brexit as frankly dismissing the views of well over 50% of the UK population is beyond the pale.
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You may like to try reading my post again as I didn't say what you are claiming. Feeling a bit guilty are we? Maybe you need to choose your friends more carefully?

It's interesting how those in the Leave camp, despite having apparently "won" are the ones who are getting so het up.
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Originally Posted by Fossildog
Yeah we get it. Everyone who thinks differently from you is a thick, racist bigot. Your attitude is just the sort of condescending, holier than thou, virtue signalling nonsense that has driven voters to vote Brexit. Frankly, dismissing the views of well over 50% of the UK population is beyond the pale.
Hang on though.

Providing the ENTIRE country with pure, downright lies as the basis of the campaign is far more insulting than calling those lies racist or xenophobic.
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Old Jun 26th 2016, 12:26 am
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Hang on though.

Providing the ENTIRE country with pure, downright lies as the basis of the campaign is far more insulting than calling those lies racist or xenophobic.
Both sides were equally contemptible in their claims and counter claims. What I find unsettling is the attempted undermining of the democratic process by those who are not happy with the result.
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Hang on though.

Providing the ENTIRE country with pure, downright lies as the basis of the campaign is far more insulting than calling those lies racist or xenophobic.
Frankly I am mystified why more Leavers aren't furious with Farage for the misleading comments, lies you could call them, regarding NHS funding.

You have to wonder why some of this people were voting to leave if not for financial/economic reasons.
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Old Jun 26th 2016, 12:31 am
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Originally Posted by Meow
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You may like to try reading my post again as I didn't say what you are claiming. Feeling a bit guilty are we? Maybe you need to choose your friends more carefully?

It's interesting how those in the Leave camp, despite having apparently "won" are the ones who are getting so het up.
Don't be so patronising and I certainly don't appreciate your not so subtle suggestions that I side with racists. It is childish and that level of debate belongs in the playground.

As to those in the Leave side getting het up I can honestly say the amount of hate, insults and dummy spitting coming from the Remain camp is something quite extraordinary, your jibe about those voting Leave having sided with racists and making 'idiotic' decisions being a good example.
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Old Jun 26th 2016, 12:33 am
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Originally Posted by Meow
Frankly I am mystified why more Leavers aren't furious with Farage for the misleading comments, lies you could call them, regarding NHS funding.

You have to wonder why some of this people were voting to leave if not for financial/economic reasons.
The red bus wasn't his. Thats Boris' and Groves.

Two separate leave camps, two separate buses , two separate claims. NF couldn't even make those claims even if YOU wanted him to. He's not a MP, zero power. If Brexit won, he couldn't lead the country or join Parliament so he couldn't even make those claims
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Originally Posted by Fossildog
Don't be so patronising and I certainly don't appreciate your not so subtle suggestions that I side with racists. It is childish and that level of debate belongs in the playground.

As to those in the Leave side getting het up I can honestly say the amount of hate, insults and dummy spitting coming from the Remain camp is something quite extraordinary, your jibe about those voting Leave having sided with racists and making 'idiotic' decisions being a good example.
Again you are twisting my words.

I said "Claiming the UK is "free" or that it has been "taken back" is idiotic beyond belief." I stand by that and did not say what you claim.

In respect of racism, surely you are aware of the incidences of racism being reported everywhere in the last few days? It's no joke.
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Originally Posted by iggle
The red bus wasn't his. Thats Boris' and Groves.

Two separate leave camps, two separate buses , two separate claims. NF couldn't even make those claims even if YOU wanted him to. He's not a MP, zero power. If Brexit won, he couldn't lead the country or join Parliament so he couldn't even make those claims
You may realise that but do you really think that that the majority of people voting understood that? Really? For most there were two sides, in or out, and any nuances and subtly were utterly lost.

Probably best I don't comment too much on BJ or Gove as I'll end up frothing at the mouth as much as the Leave folk.
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BoJo and Trump - the new world order. Bring it on.

As for you Meow, as usual, you play the left wing liberal, can't you understand the western world has had enough of of political correctness, we've had enough of you and your ilks "embrace all everyone is equal", we're patently not.

The best result since the peasants revolt.

Go on, stone me again like you did last time.
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Originally Posted by Meow
You may realise that but do you really think that that the majority of people voting understood that? Really? For most there were two sides, in or out, and any nuances and subtly were utterly lost. ....
There were probably as many reasons to vote "out" as there were people who voted out, so don't you think it is a bit patronizing to assume that the average voter "didn't understand what they were voting for"?

That attitude seems to be the standard post-Brexit reaction of the liberal elitists - the sort of people who believe they know what is best for the "little people", and whom those little people have voted against.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
There were probably as many reasons to vote "out" as there were people who voted out, so don't you think it is a bit patronizing to assume that the average voter "didn't understand what they were voting for"?

That attitude seems to be the standard post-Brexit reaction of the liberal elitists - the sort of people who believe they know what is best for the "little people", and whom those little people have voted against.
Exactly, the "Man on the street" has had enough of being talked down to.

He's lost money while you lot have made it, and you're surprised they'r very pissed off?

It beggars belief, the Islington Champagne Socialites telling the people they SAY they represent what to do?

Look in the mirror, the world has moved on from the Blairites that you (Meow) so love.
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Originally Posted by Meow
Frankly I am mystified why more Leavers aren't furious with Farage for the misleading comments, lies you could call them, regarding NHS funding.
You have to wonder why some of this people were voting to leave if not for financial/economic reasons.
Because, as this article about Ebbw Vale in the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...eave-ebbw-vale
explains, the protest vote wasn't about EU contributions or immigration, as we are instructed to believe.

And it isn't about investment or even post-industrial redevelopment. Ebbw Vale had roughly zero immigration and huge amounts of spending from the EU. The most of any town in Britain. Yet Ebbw Vale voted overwhelmingly for Leave.

It was a protest against a society in which people are increasingly controlled, kettled and spied on and in which the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Rich get richer and poor get poorer year after year for decade upon decade. In the end it all comes to an end, and the rich try to find scapegoats and try to control their way out.

The poor people want power back, they don't want to be ruled by wealthy (including seeking-to-be wealthy) professional politicians, commissioners, civil servants, lawyers, crooked accountants and oligarchs. They don't want to be sold down the river again. They want working class MPs, not old Etonians or Labour Party grass root Quislings.

Hence the Leave vote - yes it is a giant leap into the unknown, but the status quo is thought to guarantee worse and worse poverty for the poorest people.
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If need be!
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Originally Posted by holly_1948

The poor people want power back, they don't want to be ruled by wealthy (including seeking-to-be wealthy) professional politicians, commissioners, civil servants, lawyers, crooked accountants and oligarchs. They don't want to be sold down the river again. They want working class MPs, not old Etonians or Labour Party grass root Quislings.
How will leaving the EU make this happen? You think by leaving, all the current politicians, civil servants, lawyers etc etc will resign and the country will be run by working class MPs? How? (Not sure what working class MPs are to be honest). Who will do the 'legal' stuff? Do we have no civil servants? Who will do their work?

I honestly have no clue what you mean.
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Originally Posted by holly_1948
Because, as this article about Ebbw Vale in the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...eave-ebbw-vale
explains, the protest vote wasn't about EU contributions or immigration, as we are instructed to believe.

And it isn't about investment or even post-industrial redevelopment. Ebbw Vale had roughly zero immigration and huge amounts of spending from the EU. The most of any town in Britain. Yet Ebbw Vale voted overwhelmingly for Leave.

It was a protest against a society in which people are increasingly controlled, kettled and spied on and in which the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Rich get richer and poor get poorer year after year for decade upon decade. In the end it all comes to an end, and the rich try to find scapegoats and try to control their way out.

The poor people want power back, they don't want to be ruled by wealthy (including seeking-to-be wealthy) professional politicians, commissioners, civil servants, lawyers, crooked accountants and oligarchs. They don't want to be sold down the river again. They want working class MPs, not old Etonians or Labour Party grass root Quislings.

Hence the Leave vote - yes it is a giant leap into the unknown, but the status quo is thought to guarantee worse and worse poverty for the poorest people.
Brilliantly put, you're obviously more educated than me.
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