Article 50 signed and delivered
#46
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Doom and gloom sells newspapers and books.
#47
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I have no desire to see a much loved part of a successful 300 year old union leave but that's for the people in Scotland to decide. I'm sure they will be happy having to pay their share of the national debt, negotiate military bases, the status of the border, the status of Scots in England, Wales and Northern Ireland and having to wait while their EU membership is approved...or not.
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Surely it is for all the UK to decide though, do the English, Welsh, NI and Cornish people want to be part of a union that includes scotland?
And what is a scot anyway? Only people who are born there can vote? Just cos you live somewhere, as we know, doesn't mean you should have a vote.
#50
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Having a criminal conviction doesn't bar you from voting.
#51
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I don't have an opinion on those inside, but those post-sentence with a conviction have served their time.
#52
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i didn't have the right to vote. lived outside the UK too long
#54
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So, say a government in a country offers a shed load of money to immigrants to come to their country, cos it's in their interests (immigrants will vote for the party that gives them the most money/freedom), but then stops it's native born populace a vate - as they went to a neighboring country.
That's OK then?
That's OK then?
#55
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So, say a government in a country offers a shed load of money to immigrants to come to their country, cos it's in their interests (immigrants will vote for the party that gives them the most money/freedom), but then stops it's native born populace a vate - as they went to a neighboring country.
That's OK then?
That's OK then?
#56
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So, say a government in a country offers a shed load of money to immigrants to come to their country, cos it's in their interests (immigrants will vote for the party that gives them the most money/freedom), but then stops it's native born populace a vate - as they went to a neighboring country.
That's OK then?
That's OK then?
#58
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Don't you know this strictly a Daily Mail echo chamber serving only for the honking Brexit chorus, led by their pontificator in chief, to shrilly reassure each other that this magical mystery tour farrago on which we are about to embark leads only to the kingdom of heaven?
We dare not raise a voice to point out the emptiness of the rhetoric about the UK having freedom to strike trade deals (with whom for what?)
nor draw attention to the contradiction in preventing Scotland from exercising its democratic right to decide if it wishes to remain in a fundamentally changed UK while loudly insisting on the need to observe the outcome of the (legally non-binding) UK referendum on leaving the EU
nor even note the more fundamental contradiction in being pro-union (UK) and anti-union (EU) using opposing arguments in each case
nor expose the fallacy of regaining control of borders that were always in the control of the UK anyway
nor bemoan the ludicrous posturing that "we need them more than they need us" which passes for a Brexit negotiation strategy.
If we do, we risk being swatted aside with devastating wit as "remoaners" and dismissed as the "sort of people" who only get their news from the Maoist BBC. It' not possible that we are expressing these views because we care deeply about the future of the UK; it can only be because we are feckless liberal lefties/sandal-knitting hippies/super PC apologists/shoulder-chip bearing ethnic or gender or sexual minorities whose opinions cant be trusted, regardless of the rigour of our analysis in the face of 43 years of relentless press-baron bulls**t about the EU.
No; this thread, and increasingly this forum, serve only to host the endless tedious bloviation of a few self-satisfied humourless Brexit bores, accepting only one perspective as valid while others are dismissed with personal insults and rancour. Cue six more pages of hysteria...
We dare not raise a voice to point out the emptiness of the rhetoric about the UK having freedom to strike trade deals (with whom for what?)
nor draw attention to the contradiction in preventing Scotland from exercising its democratic right to decide if it wishes to remain in a fundamentally changed UK while loudly insisting on the need to observe the outcome of the (legally non-binding) UK referendum on leaving the EU
nor even note the more fundamental contradiction in being pro-union (UK) and anti-union (EU) using opposing arguments in each case
nor expose the fallacy of regaining control of borders that were always in the control of the UK anyway
nor bemoan the ludicrous posturing that "we need them more than they need us" which passes for a Brexit negotiation strategy.
If we do, we risk being swatted aside with devastating wit as "remoaners" and dismissed as the "sort of people" who only get their news from the Maoist BBC. It' not possible that we are expressing these views because we care deeply about the future of the UK; it can only be because we are feckless liberal lefties/sandal-knitting hippies/super PC apologists/shoulder-chip bearing ethnic or gender or sexual minorities whose opinions cant be trusted, regardless of the rigour of our analysis in the face of 43 years of relentless press-baron bulls**t about the EU.
No; this thread, and increasingly this forum, serve only to host the endless tedious bloviation of a few self-satisfied humourless Brexit bores, accepting only one perspective as valid while others are dismissed with personal insults and rancour. Cue six more pages of hysteria...
exactly. god forbid you require some thought, introspection, analysis or even a plan of sorts