shiva

Insert facepalm image.

kimilseung

I find it fanciful that any of this has any scientific relevance (not worth discussing), but you also claim that these ideas were new. They were not
Anaximander (610 – 546 BC) Speculated that life came from the sea.
Ancient Egyptian God Shu, separated the sky from the earth. (it is a common theme)

Ajeeb

On the contrary, I suspect that you are rather dense. I pointed out how the Quran describes in detail the creation of the universe and humans, yet you say that that has no relevance to real world. The scientists who have accepted Islam beg to differ, and so do I as an Engineer. I say: leave the discussion to the grown ups little Scampy.

shiva

Wow

littlejimmy

I actually don't think that it is religion that causes wars, it's just another reason used to foster division and hatred. If there were no religion, we'd still find something to fight about, and we often do.

Ajeeb

Really? Are you of the dense ones that profess intelligence but prove to be not much than an imbecile? Surely ideas and speculations get thrown around throughout the ages. But what book has been right on all accounts? What book has described the knowledge it contains in such detail? None but Quran.

scrubbedexpat141

I say a lot of people disagree with any ancient book and how they say the world was created. I'll take the big bang.

I suspect you're not the enlightened one, if you have to resort to insults.

Shame.

kimilseung

So you drop one of your points then? We now move on to the next?

britexpat76

Hi Ajeeb and welcome to the bored. So we can assume you sit on the fence when it comes to religion?

I agree Islam is the fastest growing religion, it is probably the only religion that is growing why do you think that is? Is it because of the word of Allah or perhaps that the consequences for leaving Islam (Apostasy) is Death in a lot of countries, or the least your family will disown you? Is is also that you forbid women to marry anyone other than a Muslim so the children are also raised Muslim thus ensuring the religion grows?

Why do you think people in the west who have free impartial news and access to resources are turning their back on religion? I read Arabic news and people on the bored would be amazed with what I see written in Arabic classed as 'news'. Last week it was reported that Sarah Jessica Parkers new perfume was poison and several muslims had died from using it!

My point is, the penalty for questioning your religion or country in this area is often death/prison or being ostracised - Good enough reason to keep towing the line? What if people had the opportunity to think for themselves and not just quote the Qu'ran as you did?

littlejimmy

I've seen these scripture arguments from fundy Creationist types as well. They basically argue that the vague text can mean whatever they want it to mean, and interpretation of the original Hebrew shifts to match current scientific theories.

kimilseung

Do mountains stop earthquakes?

shiva

Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica to name but one

Dumbo

This is where I totally lose any sympathy with you.

If you expect these guys to take anything that you say seriously then you also need to accept their point of view. Arguing for the sake of arguing and making inflamatory statements is worthless and should be beneath any on the subject of beliefs.

If a person has a different belief system to you that does not make them an imbecile if they don't accept yours. You accept their point of view and try to find some common ground. If you are unable to do this then you are a lost cause, unfortunately there seem to be alot of lost causes on both sides here and the wider arena.

littlejimmy

That's standard debating practice round here. There are a lot of "you clearly are too thick to understand the issue"s in threads these days.

norsk

In my experience converts (to any religion) are the worst. They take teachings more literally than those who grew up with a religion, and also tend to have more extreme views. I guess they are compensating for the time they spent living as non-believers....

Missionaries (of any religion) think they are better than others due to what they believe...Misguided at best! Following a religion (or not) is a personal choice!