Let me sound as though I know what I'm talking about -

My Blackberry Priv has an 18 megapixel Schneider-Kreuznach lens: my pictures of sunsets are .......................................filed with all the other pictures of sunsets.

It also works as a mobile telephone.

The Huawei P9 camera/software was developed with Leica.
Has a lot more manual settings available than most phone cameras

My iPhone 7 has a good camera.

If I want to take very good photos then I have an actual camera.

Neither randomly catch fire. Bish bash bosh.

Samsung's camera is better. Can attest to that.

FYI it's the Note that catches on fire. Not the normal Galaxies.

I have a fancy camera too. But the phone cameras are now so good that I only use the big camera for very special trips / photos when I'm doing hardcore photography. Not sure if I'll buy another one when the time comes.

It's a bit like saying, that Ferrari does 202mph and your Lambo only does 197mph.

Both are pretty ****ing sweet.

Still, Samsung's a Samsung. Is your pocket on fire yet?

If the Samsung camera is the Ferrari then the iPhone is the Lancer.....

Phone keeps me nice and warm

99.9% (at least) of people never print a photo, and when they do it'll be nothing bigger than 10 x 8. I'd guess that 99% will only look at their photos on a computer monitor or laptop screen, with the rest using a big TV.

Even with an iPhone 6 (well behind iPhone 7 and Samsung), I'm pretty satisfied with my results (usually enhanced in-phone with PS and/or Snapseed), and Santa's going to bring me PS for my laptop. I can justify to myself a new proper camera, but have failed to convince Bahtatgirl, and since it'd be a fairly major purchase the debate seems reasonable. The camera makers seem to be going strong (innovation and improvement is quite remarkable), but if most people just learned to use their omnipresent smartphones, camera sales (and the innovation) will slow dramatically.

Just hope you have a nuclear powered laptop....

This is bascially a hardware vs software debate.

I have the misfortune of having both an apple and a Samsung. As I see it both are very flawed.

The iPhone has much better software. The android much better hardware.

Phones are a bit like women. At first you're drawn to the hardware but the more you use it the more you realise the software is more important.

The connection ports are extremely important, especially when the hardware's still perfectly functional but the software refuses to respond.

I find that when the software plays up you are better off turning it off and trying to turn it back on if you want to use the hardware.

I think that's harsh, the iPhones and Samsungs have very little between them.

Anyway, the Samsung is the Ferrari (the 458 in particular I think).

Well I suppose everyone has to have an interest..... So is this like readers wives stuff or something more artistic?

some serious snapchatting.

My niche is East Asian girls instagramming their food at the right angle you can catch the wide eyes, the excited mouths, the salivating lips. But it is harder than it looks to make the shots seem ever so casual.