Why come back to Britain?????
Dec 12th 2005, 8:26 pm
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Originally Posted by jonfrank123
Hi
I am in a situation where I would give anything to be able to carry on living in the UK, sadly I can't
I am moving to Canada more out of obligation than choice. Yes Canada looks cleaner and more organised on the face of it but having spent a lot of time there already I can tell you.
The economy is far less dynamic than the UK
Jobs are harder to find in Canada
There is more serious crime in Canada
No more easy and cheap air travel
No beutiful english countryside and coast in easy reach
These are some of the negatives of Canada, there are good points but it sounds like you have been reading the Daily Mail as you think England is complete rubbish.
I am in a situation where I would give anything to be able to carry on living in the UK, sadly I can't
I am moving to Canada more out of obligation than choice. Yes Canada looks cleaner and more organised on the face of it but having spent a lot of time there already I can tell you.
The economy is far less dynamic than the UK
Jobs are harder to find in Canada
There is more serious crime in Canada
No more easy and cheap air travel
No beutiful english countryside and coast in easy reach
These are some of the negatives of Canada, there are good points but it sounds like you have been reading the Daily Mail as you think England is complete rubbish.
Dec 12th 2005, 9:16 pm
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Originally Posted by dbd33
I suggest that a bigger problem for posters denigrating the UK on this thread might be that Canada is a diverse multi-cultural society.
Dec 13th 2005, 12:32 am
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Originally Posted by jonfrank123
Hi
I am in a situation where I would give anything to be able to carry on living in the UK, sadly I can't
I am moving to Canada more out of obligation than choice. Yes Canada looks cleaner and more organised on the face of it but having spent a lot of time there already I can tell you.
The economy is far less dynamic than the UK
Jobs are harder to find in Canada
There is more serious crime in Canada
No more easy and cheap air travel
No beutiful english countryside and coast in easy reach
These are some of the negatives of Canada, there are good points but it sounds like you have been reading the Daily Mail as you think England is complete rubbish.
I am in a situation where I would give anything to be able to carry on living in the UK, sadly I can't
I am moving to Canada more out of obligation than choice. Yes Canada looks cleaner and more organised on the face of it but having spent a lot of time there already I can tell you.
The economy is far less dynamic than the UK
Jobs are harder to find in Canada
There is more serious crime in Canada
No more easy and cheap air travel
No beutiful english countryside and coast in easy reach
These are some of the negatives of Canada, there are good points but it sounds like you have been reading the Daily Mail as you think England is complete rubbish.
As for jobs, it depends on what sort of job you are looking for and your qualifications.
Serious crime? Murder/homicide rates for Canada and the UK are on a par. Calgary has a lower murder rate than similarly sized UK cities. Aggrevated assault, robbery, burglary and car crime is far lower.
Cheap and easy air travel is not as cheap or easy here.
Beautiful countryside and coast? Well it depends what you want. If you want stunning coastline and mountains then try Vancouver. Alberta has stunning mountains but no coast. The Atlantic provinces have stunning coastline but no mountains.
Whereabouts are you being taken to in Canada?
(And then I found out where)
Ah, a little "digging" reveals that you are heading to Montreal. Unfortunately the murder rate tends to be higher than Toronto, Calgary or Vancouver.
That said the main problem about which I would be concerned in Quebec is the supposed resurgence of the The Bloc. All may be revealed in the election early next year, but I'm married to someone who worked there last time the The Bloc was on the rise. Her job with a national company was swiftly moved to Toronto, along with Canada's gold reserves. Other large companies moved too, some to T.O. and some to Calgary.
I can understand you concerns, good luck.
Last edited by CalgaryBlade; Dec 13th 2005 at 1:47 am. Reason: Updating based on location info
Dec 13th 2005, 12:38 am
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Originally Posted by CalgaryBlade
If you read the FT and Economist you might learn that Canada's economy has been growing while many pundits think the UK's is headed for rocky times ahead. Gordon Brown's "miracle" economy has been credit fuelled and is susceptible to interest rates rises.
Dec 13th 2005, 12:53 am
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
I'd say that Canada has a much better economic future than the UK being as it is a major energy/food/minerals producer. I am not sure about the society as I have only been to Canada on holiday.
Dec 13th 2005, 8:53 am
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Originally Posted by CalgaryBlade
If you read the FT and Economist you might learn that Canada's economy has been growing while many pundits think the UK's is headed for rocky times ahead. Gordon Brown's "miracle" economy has been credit fuelled and is susceptible to interest rates rises.
As for jobs, it depends on what sort of job you are looking for and your qualifications.
Serious crime? Murder/homicide rates for Canada and the UK are on a par. Calgary has a lower murder rate than similarly sized UK cities. Aggrevated assault, robbery, burglary and car crime is far lower.
Cheap and easy air travel is not as cheap or easy here.
Beautiful countryside and coast? Well it depends what you want. If you want stunning coastline and mountains then try Vancouver. Alberta has stunning mountains but no coast. The Atlantic provinces have stunning coastline but no mountains.
Whereabouts are you being taken to in Canada?
(And then I found out where)
Ah, a little "digging" reveals that you are heading to Montreal. Unfortunately the murder rate tends to be higher than Toronto, Calgary or Vancouver.
That said the main problem about which I would be concerned in Quebec is the supposed resurgence of the The Bloc. All may be revealed in the election early next year, but I'm married to someone who worked there last time the The Bloc was on the rise. Her job with a national company was swiftly moved to Toronto, along with Canada's gold reserves. Other large companies moved too, some to T.O. and some to Calgary.
I can understand you concerns, good luck.
As for jobs, it depends on what sort of job you are looking for and your qualifications.
Serious crime? Murder/homicide rates for Canada and the UK are on a par. Calgary has a lower murder rate than similarly sized UK cities. Aggrevated assault, robbery, burglary and car crime is far lower.
Cheap and easy air travel is not as cheap or easy here.
Beautiful countryside and coast? Well it depends what you want. If you want stunning coastline and mountains then try Vancouver. Alberta has stunning mountains but no coast. The Atlantic provinces have stunning coastline but no mountains.
Whereabouts are you being taken to in Canada?
(And then I found out where)
Ah, a little "digging" reveals that you are heading to Montreal. Unfortunately the murder rate tends to be higher than Toronto, Calgary or Vancouver.
That said the main problem about which I would be concerned in Quebec is the supposed resurgence of the The Bloc. All may be revealed in the election early next year, but I'm married to someone who worked there last time the The Bloc was on the rise. Her job with a national company was swiftly moved to Toronto, along with Canada's gold reserves. Other large companies moved too, some to T.O. and some to Calgary.
I can understand you concerns, good luck.
I have been coming to Montreal since 1996 and it is sad that it once had the potential to be a world class city but because of sheer dogma the (Quebec)government completely wrecked the economy. It's true that there has been a huge improvement since 1999 but the threat is always looming.
A referendum (neverendum) is always on the horizon and I do believe that momentum is increasing for another one. It all depends on how confusing they can make the question this time. As a result I will never buy a house in Quebec and keep my savings either in Ontario or UK banks
Jonathan.
Dec 16th 2005, 1:53 pm
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Originally Posted by eliscolin
To Leedsgirl/ Lady of the Lake/nethead....I don't mean to sound insulting and its obviously your choice, but I just cannot fathom why anybody in their right mind would leave NZ/ OZ/ Canada to come back HERE? Come back to what exactly....old England with Pubs and castles?
Old England is going rapidly under a sea of new development...all being bulldozed for building new roads, Mosques, Hindu temples or subsidised housing for single mothers on benefit and the lefty do-gooders are on the verge of banning anything remotely Anglo Saxon left in this country. You laugh but many Town Councils will not put up Xmas Decorations, or send out Xmas cards with Happy Xmas in fear of offending..."The minority".
This is the type of Lunacy that is becoming common place here so be prepared for it.
Why would anybody sacrifice a fantastic lifestyle in those sparsely populated countries with a bright future which are sensibly hard to get residency in, only to end up coming back to Britain and ending up buying some overpriced Victorian dump of a terraced house for £160000 - £200000....yes this is what they cost here now and that isn't even London!
You say the house with the swimming pool isn't a lifestyle...well your lucky to even have a house never alone the pool, because for many in Britain owning a house now is a luxury from the past. I work with Graduate Programmers with excellent degrees in there late 20's who are now looking at the options abroad because all that is on offer for them in this country is some studio flat (a glorified Bedroom with a hole for a toilet and a sink for a kitchen) going for £80000 +.
Old England is going rapidly under a sea of new development...all being bulldozed for building new roads, Mosques, Hindu temples or subsidised housing for single mothers on benefit and the lefty do-gooders are on the verge of banning anything remotely Anglo Saxon left in this country. You laugh but many Town Councils will not put up Xmas Decorations, or send out Xmas cards with Happy Xmas in fear of offending..."The minority".
This is the type of Lunacy that is becoming common place here so be prepared for it.
Why would anybody sacrifice a fantastic lifestyle in those sparsely populated countries with a bright future which are sensibly hard to get residency in, only to end up coming back to Britain and ending up buying some overpriced Victorian dump of a terraced house for £160000 - £200000....yes this is what they cost here now and that isn't even London!
You say the house with the swimming pool isn't a lifestyle...well your lucky to even have a house never alone the pool, because for many in Britain owning a house now is a luxury from the past. I work with Graduate Programmers with excellent degrees in there late 20's who are now looking at the options abroad because all that is on offer for them in this country is some studio flat (a glorified Bedroom with a hole for a toilet and a sink for a kitchen) going for £80000 +.
But on hte whole-the UK isnt worse than Oz or anywhere I have lived-I think its better-you may be in for a rude shock.
Dec 16th 2005, 5:27 pm
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Originally Posted by NoreenC
I was interested in reading your post as I, too, in all probability will be moving to Canada out of obligation rather than choice. I've spent a year there while I was studying and enjoyed my time. I felt comfortable there but I knew it wasn't permanent then, so that probably made a difference. How long have you stayed there and when will you be going there to stay? I agree that Canada does have a lot of good points. I liked the people and thought it was a lovely Country, but I also like living in the UK! It has its faults, but it's my home. I'd be interested in hearing how you get on when you make the move.
I am going to live in Montreal on January 16th, as my wife is from there and she is homesick.
As you say it's got its good points but it isn't home. I love to travel and go on holiday but starting a new life is a whole different thing. Basically I am perfectly happy in the UK but I've said that we will give it 2years.
So Off I go
Jonathan
Dec 16th 2005, 8:23 pm
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Originally Posted by jonfrank123
Hi there
I am going to live in Montreal on January 16th, as my wife is from there and she is homesick.
As you say it's got its good points but it isn't home. I love to travel and go on holiday but starting a new life is a whole different thing. Basically I am perfectly happy in the UK but I've said that we will give it 2years.
So Off I go
Jonathan
I am going to live in Montreal on January 16th, as my wife is from there and she is homesick.
As you say it's got its good points but it isn't home. I love to travel and go on holiday but starting a new life is a whole different thing. Basically I am perfectly happy in the UK but I've said that we will give it 2years.
So Off I go
Jonathan
I hope it all goes well for you. I have visited Montreal and thought it was an attractive city. It'll be interesting to hear how you get on there. I hope it works out for you. It would be difficult if you want to return to the UK and your wife doesn't. I know my husband won't want to return to the UK. Canada is his home. The good thing is we both understand how the other one feels. All the best for your move over.
Noreen
Dec 16th 2005, 9:52 pm
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
This thread should have been deleted by mods on Post#1. The OP's opinions are totally irrelevant in the context of this forum and are little more than thinly veiled shit-stirring.
Dec 16th 2005, 10:17 pm
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Originally Posted by Hutch
This thread should have been deleted by mods on Post#1. The OP's opinions are totally irrelevant in the context of this forum and are little more than thinly veiled shit-stirring.
Dec 17th 2005, 12:35 am
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Originally Posted by Hutch
This thread should have been deleted by mods on Post#1. The OP's opinions are totally irrelevant in the context of this forum and are little more than thinly veiled shit-stirring.
Personally, I am glad the moderators left this post. One of the best for ages.
Dec 17th 2005, 5:09 am
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Buggered if I know....
No brainer for me!
No brainer for me!
Dec 17th 2005, 8:27 am
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Originally Posted by Hutch
This thread should have been deleted by mods on Post#1. The OP's opinions are totally irrelevant in the context of this forum and are little more than thinly veiled shit-stirring.
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Dec 24th 2005, 6:41 am
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Re: Why come back to Britain?????
Originally Posted by novita77
Sorry .... i was wondering about that. I just came back from the UK last week ... then i saw this xmas lights in the village. Apparently my step daugther told me that it is not allow to be call 'xmas light' because it will offending 'The Minority'.
I thought this is silly ... u come and live in the UK, dont u think u should adopt their customs?
we living in the middle east now ... do u think our 'emir' will do the same towards "The Minority" here???
I noticed as well, the crimes stories i read in the paper most of the time always commited by immigrants.
We travelling in and out the UK 3 times during 3 weeks stays ... and in most airport we been ... always were a queue jumper ... and surprisingly they also non-white skin colour. Either indian / pakistani / arab or whatever. But it seems because they carrying british passport they feel they have the right to get a special treatment ....
Anyway ... sorry for hijacking the thread escolin ... i just trying to make a point that eventho living in the UK is nice (to be together with your family) but still everything there messed up.
My son is british .... once we go back to the UK ... he need to see a doctor ... the local surgery wont make an appointment for him because he dont have a national insurance number. And to get one they said u have to live in the country min for 6 mths.
But I saw all this immigrant coming throught the tunnel and they get free of everything from the government.
I thought this is silly ... u come and live in the UK, dont u think u should adopt their customs?
we living in the middle east now ... do u think our 'emir' will do the same towards "The Minority" here???
I noticed as well, the crimes stories i read in the paper most of the time always commited by immigrants.
We travelling in and out the UK 3 times during 3 weeks stays ... and in most airport we been ... always were a queue jumper ... and surprisingly they also non-white skin colour. Either indian / pakistani / arab or whatever. But it seems because they carrying british passport they feel they have the right to get a special treatment ....
Anyway ... sorry for hijacking the thread escolin ... i just trying to make a point that eventho living in the UK is nice (to be together with your family) but still everything there messed up.
My son is british .... once we go back to the UK ... he need to see a doctor ... the local surgery wont make an appointment for him because he dont have a national insurance number. And to get one they said u have to live in the country min for 6 mths.
But I saw all this immigrant coming throught the tunnel and they get free of everything from the government.
Gosh how racist you are. Hope you stay in the Middle East. The UK can do without racist scum. Hope you are on the receiving end of Sharia law!!!