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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by BritInParis
(Post 11985766)
Boris has just confirmed our suspicions.
I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be He hasn't got a clue how to deal with the leave vote. |
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 11986030)
Yes. It's clearer now that his aim was for the opposite result, 52-48 remain. He would then have claimed that the margin for remain was too small to be an endorsement of Cameron's campaign and called for his ousting in October.
He hasn't got a clue how to deal with the leave vote. You know, watching Boris make that speech reminded me of the deer-in-the-headlights look on New Jersey Gov Chris Christie's face after he endorsed Donald Trump :eek: :lol: |
Re: Upcoming Referendum
My only hope is that someone really strong will succeed David Cameron, so someone in whom the world will have faith. Even though Boris and Michael are the front runners, the visible force in Brexit, there are others behind them and I do hope they are in fact creating a viable plan. It is so pathetic! We now hear of several Brexiters experiencing bregret. We also hear the young voters blaming the older ones for the way they voted. And yet we hear that there was a low turn out of young voters! What a farce! Meantime our economy which was doing so well is spiraling downwards.
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Hello everyone.
What I heard this morning is beyond troubling. Nigel Farage stated in an interview, that there is no guarantee of the money that was being sent to the EU will be put back in the NHS.:sneaky: How does this man sleep at night? Part of the exit campaign was based on keeping Britain's money IN BRITAIN. It's unbelievable, he's just another deceptive (blank) out for his own interests. What's bothersome is how Farage played the immigration card. He played upon everybody's fears regarding that issue. There is no way, Britain will kick out immigrants. If that happens, the EU will send British citizens back home. There's no way Britain will stop new immigrants from coming in (IF VETTED RIGHT). If that happens, UK citizens won't be able to settle anywhere except in the UK. I do agree that Britain should be managing their borders and keep out anyone who would cause harm. At least the banks in Britain were smart to prepare for the Brexit vote. PM David Cameron just announced that provisions have been made for the next few years. I guess they knew Mr. Farage was hiding something. Anyway, what's done is done. The vote has knocked world markets down for now but they will bounce back. Trade will continue and the U.S. will not abandon its' sister country. I still believe in the long run, Britain's exit from the EU will be a benefit and that other countries will follow. Which brings me to Scotland. Hopefully, the Scottish people will wait to see what happens before declaring their independence. It wouldn't make sense for Scotland to remain in the EU if France, Italy and Greece are the next countries to depart. Any other thoughts? Please, no nasty responses I love discussing issues but there's no need to be rude to each other.:britflag: |
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by michali
(Post 11986468)
My only hope is that someone really strong will succeed David Cameron, so someone in whom the world will have faith. Even though Boris and Michael are the front runners, the visible force in Brexit, there are others behind them and I do hope they are in fact creating a viable plan. It is so pathetic! We now hear of several Brexiters experiencing bregret. We also hear the young voters blaming the older ones for the way they voted. And yet we hear that there was a low turn out of young voters! What a farce! Meantime our economy which was doing so well is spiraling downwards.
A lot of the social media commentary from youth is from those who are below the age of 18. 16 and 17 year olds who didn't want a Brexit are making their complaints, and - given the British social and educational structures - they have a valid complaint. They can register to vote as early as age 16. Their Scottish counterparts can vote at age 16 (in Scottish elections). They can leave school to take employment at age 16. Given all this, in my opinion, they've got every right to be ticked off. |
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by michali
(Post 11986468)
My only hope is that someone really strong will succeed David Cameron, so someone in whom the world will have faith. Even though Boris and Michael are the front runners, the visible force in Brexit, there are others behind them and I do hope they are in fact creating a viable plan. It is so pathetic! We now hear of several Brexiters experiencing bregret. We also hear the young voters blaming the older ones for the way they voted. And yet we hear that there was a low turn out of young voters! What a farce! Meantime our economy which was doing so well is spiraling downwards.
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by LoveFortheUK
(Post 11986518)
Hello everyone.
What I heard this morning is beyond troubling. Nigel Farage stated in an interview, that there is no guarantee of the money that was being sent to the EU will be put back in the NHS.:sneaky: How does this man sleep at night? Part of the exit campaign was based on keeping Britain's money IN BRITAIN. It's unbelievable, he's just another deceptive (blank) out for his own interests. What's bothersome is how Farage played the immigration card. He played upon everybody's fears regarding that issue. There is no way, Britain will kick out immigrants. If that happens, the EU will send British citizens back home. There's no way Britain will stop new immigrants from coming in (IF VETTED RIGHT). If that happens, UK citizens won't be able to settle anywhere except in the UK. I do agree that Britain should be managing their borders and keep out anyone who would cause harm. At least the banks in Britain were smart to prepare for the Brexit vote. PM David Cameron just announced that provisions have been made for the next few years. I guess they knew Mr. Farage was hiding something. Anyway, what's done is done. The vote has knocked world markets down for now but they will bounce back. Trade will continue and the U.S. will not abandon its' sister country. I still believe in the long run, Britain's exit from the EU will be a benefit and that other countries will follow. Which brings me to Scotland. Hopefully, the Scottish people will wait to see what happens before declaring their independence. It wouldn't make sense for Scotland to remain in the EU if France, Italy and Greece are the next countries to depart. Any other thoughts? Please, no nasty responses I love discussing issues but there's no need to be rude to each other.:britflag: I have no real strong feelings on any of this except that I am glad my assets are in Canada but I am fearful for my step mother who voted out but isn't worried about the value of her pension that shes only 7 days away from drawing on. As far as shes concerned she was promised a pension when she retires and she wants England to be a little island all by itself. Its romantic but that's all.... |
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by LoveFortheUK
(Post 11986518)
I still believe in the long run, Britain's exit from the EU will be a benefit and that other countries will follow I've always had nothing but admiration for the construct of the EU. For the ideal of it. Americans like me are pretty lucky that we've never had war on our front doorstep. And I mean literally at the front door, as Europeans have experienced. The Europeans who put the single market together wanted to keep any future megalomaniac from hoarding all his countries assets, all the while plotting world domination. The Europeans who put the EU together felt that free movement of people across the continent would improve the overall prospects of citizens. All would benefit from being able to work and live freely together. I still think this is a noble, important ideal. Given the history of Europe, I frankly can't understand why this concept has been lost on people. I don't think it would be good at all for the EU to break up. I really don't understand why anyone would wish that. :( |
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by rebeccajo
(Post 11986532)
I don't know if there are any official numbers out yet of the portion of each age demographic that voted. I am anxious to see those stats and if anyone has a link to them, please put it up.
How Brexit vote broke down – POLITICO |
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by Bermudashorts
(Post 11986541)
The economy is not spiralling downwards. The exchange rate and FTSE have been down for a couple of days for heavens sake. Keep some perspective.
You are right! Just panicking! |
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by not2old
(Post 11986549)
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by rebeccajo
(Post 11986583)
No the answer isn't in those figures. Handy though.
https://next.ft.com/content/1ce1a720...9-8d2356388a1f No breakdown by age cohort; they are using median age of electorate as a proxy. |
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by michali
(Post 11986468)
My only hope is that someone really strong will succeed David Cameron, so someone in whom the world will have faith. Even though Boris and Michael are the front runners, the visible force in Brexit, there are others behind them and I do hope they are in fact creating a viable plan. It is so pathetic! We now hear of several Brexiters experiencing bregret.
Some voted Leave as a protest. They've since realised that if enough people protest, someone actually has to do whatever was promised.
Originally Posted by LoveFortheUK
(Post 11986518)
Hello everyone.
What I heard this morning is beyond troubling. Nigel Farage stated in an interview, that there is no guarantee of the money that was being sent to the EU will be put back in the NHS.:sneaky: How does this man sleep at night? Part of the exit campaign was based on keeping Britain's money IN BRITAIN. It's unbelievable, he's just another deceptive (blank) out for his own interests. Farage isn't a Westminster MP, nor is he a member of the PM's Cabinet, therefore he can't make any promises as to what money goes where, other than UKIP funds. What's bothersome is how Farage played the immigration card. He played upon everybody's fears regarding that issue. There is no way, Britain will kick out immigrants. If that happens, the EU will send British citizens back home. There's no way Britain will stop new immigrants from coming in (IF VETTED RIGHT). If that happens, UK citizens won't be able to settle anywhere except in the UK. I do agree that Britain should be managing their borders and keep out anyone who would cause harm. Trade will continue and the U.S. will not abandon its' sister country. The Tories have been the driving force in trying to get TTIP passed in the EU. Britain's exit from the EU will be a benefit and that other countries will follow. The UK secured permanent opt-outs from closer political union, the Schengen area, and the Euro, and Cameron got almost every concession he asked for before the referendum. :britflag: |
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by rebeccajo
(Post 11986547)
I'd like to give you something to really ponder over. Seriously since you say you like a good discussion.
I've always had nothing but admiration for the construct of the EU. For the ideal of it. Americans like me are pretty lucky that we've never had war on our front doorstep. And I mean literally at the front door, as Europeans have experienced. The Europeans who put the single market together wanted to keep any future megalomaniac from hoarding all his countries assets, all the while plotting world domination. The Europeans who put the EU together felt that free movement of people across the continent would improve the overall prospects of citizens. All would benefit from being able to work and live freely together. I still think this is a noble, important ideal. Given the history of Europe, I frankly can't understand why this concept has been lost on people. I don't think it would be good at all for the EU to break up. I really don't understand why anyone would wish that. :( A great article from Mark Mardell at the Beeb on the differing relationship mainland Europeans and Brits have with the EU: Brexit: The story of an island apart - BBC News "By the end of my time based in Brussels I was convinced that I had understood the key difference. To many in the UK being part of the EU was a hard-headed economic relationship, about free markets, selling and buying stuff. It was a sort of second best, a consolation prize after the loss of empire, but not one that had a similar place in patriots' hearts. But for nearly all the other countries it was a refuge. It was a home they were constructing as a bulwark against history, against horror. Germany was fleeing its role in spreading death and destruction to every corner of the continent, fleeing its own political ambitions. France was running away from defeat and occupation, from humiliation and powerlessness. So were many other countries. Greece, Portugal and Spain found refuge - in an imagined future - from the real past of right-wing dictatorships. The countries of the East were replacing communist tyranny with a new attempt to create peace and democracy." |
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
(Post 11986611)
Britain's exit will allow the EU to function better without being hindered by a country that didn't want to be bound by the rules the UK helped create.
The UK secured permanent opt-outs from closer political union, the Schengen area, and the Euro, and Cameron got almost every concession he asked for before the referendum. "As I see it in simple terms - being a member of the EU is political, controlling & costly just to be a club member Something for the UK might be the EEA? Being in the EEA without all of the cost & the political BS is probably a better deal, says Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, allows them to be part of the EU’s single market http://www.efta.int/eea/eea-agreemen...basic-features For the UK, why not have the 'sweat deal' that Switzerland has? http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyour...FTU_6.5.3.html" |
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