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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
(Post 11684105)
Here's another non EU citizen that'll be adding to the numbers of migrants by the end of the year.
Thanks for the welcome :heart: The bad vibe is just so........strong.:( |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by feelbritish
(Post 11684165)
:lol: Hopefully me too but are we exempted because we have British Roots and married to Brits and totally self-sufficient?
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
You can take some comfort from the fact that the two most anti-immigrant posters on this thread are actually living in Florida and Cyprus.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11684250)
You can take some comfort from the fact that the two most anti-immigrant posters on this thread are actually living in Florida and Cyprus.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Hi it's me again from sunny Cyprus.
I have lived all over the world. Every time that I returned to the UK I was unsettled by the mass of IMMIGRANTS. These were from several countries. I was born in rural Lincolnshire on a farm. On business I travelled all over the UK. On entering Cities such as Bradford and Leicester I was confused. I thought I was back in Asia. In parts of London, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds and several other Cities the police will not enter. Why? because of the ehtnic minority (as they are called) make it too dangerous. Here in Cyprus most of our friends are from various countries, including Sweden, Germany, Syria and of course Cypriots. We still mix with a few UK people but do not live in a UK society type establishment. Hope this helps to let you know where I am coming from. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by themajor
(Post 11684279)
Hi it's me again from sunny Cyprus.
I have lived all over the world. Every time that I returned to the UK I was unsettled by the mass of IMMIGRANTS. These were from several countries. I was born in rural Lincolnshire on a farm. On business I travelled all over the UK. On entering Cities such as Bradford and Leicester I was confused. I thought I was back in Asia. In parts of London, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds and several other Cities the police will not enter. Why? because of the ehtnic minority (as they are called) make it too dangerous. Here in Cyprus most of our friends are from various countries, including Sweden, Germany, Syria and of course Cypriots. We still mix with a few UK people but do not live in a UK society type establishment. Hope this helps to let you know where I am coming from. "Too dangerous!!! for the police"--- you are being ridiculous. I was born and 'raised' in rural Norfolk but our UK home now is in the Midlands, I have travelled frequently in Birmingham --all areas. Our son lives in Leicester --not because he is a "minority" but because he and his wife (a totally pukka white person) like it there. I think you have let us know where you are coming from. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by themajor
(Post 11684279)
Hi it's me again from sunny Cyprus.
I have lived all over the world. Every time that I returned to the UK I was unsettled by the mass of IMMIGRANTS. These were from several countries. I was born in rural Lincolnshire on a farm. On business I travelled all over the UK. On entering Cities such as Bradford and Leicester I was confused. I thought I was back in Asia. In parts of London, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds and several other Cities the police will not enter. Why? because of the ehtnic minority (as they are called) make it too dangerous. Here in Cyprus most of our friends are from various countries, including Sweden, Germany, Syria and of course Cypriots. We still mix with a few UK people but do not live in a UK society type establishment. Hope this helps to let you know where I am coming from. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by rebeccajo
(Post 11684177)
Do you ever concern yourself with feeling unwelcome?
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by themajor
(Post 11684279)
Hi it's me again from sunny Cyprus.
I have lived all over the world. Every time that I returned to the UK I was unsettled by the mass of IMMIGRANTS. These were from several countries. I was born in rural Lincolnshire on a farm. On business I travelled all over the UK. On entering Cities such as Bradford and Leicester I was confused. I thought I was back in Asia. In parts of London, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds and several other Cities the police will not enter. Why? because of the ehtnic minority (as they are called) make it too dangerous. Here in Cyprus most of our friends are from various countries, including Sweden, Germany, Syria and of course Cypriots. We still mix with a few UK people but do not live in a UK society type establishment. Hope this helps to let you know where I am coming from. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
(Post 11684313)
But.........you're an IMMIGRANT.
thats the bit people don't get, isn't it.........they are one of the millions of IMMIGRANTS that they keep moaning about :D Last time i was home I was in Birmingham and Coventry for a few days, i have family there. They are still decent UK cities with police on the streets and people of many nationalities all living together. i spend a lot of time in north London and its multi-cultural but how the heck I am supposed to know if they are immigrants, i have no idea. Many of the people there open their mouths and speak in a true London accent - regardless of their colour, dress etc. I'd be interested to know what test some people use to tell whether the people they encounter are immigrants ( or should that be IMMIGRANTS) or have lived there all their lives..... |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
I don't think I apply a test. But, paradoxically, in my experience people who are 'anti-immigrant' are often blind to how many immigrants are actually in their community; because they don't class lots of white people who are immigrants as immigrants.
One example of an immigrant invisible to the 'antis' is my husband, a Canadian. Another would be my neighbour, an Italian who has lived in the UK for most of her life. My small rural community also includes a Latvian German who has lived here since 1945, a distinguished Indian environmentalist, our Irish GP, a Frenchwoman, an American, and probably more, all of whom are overlooked by the anti-immigrant brigade. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
It would appear the the Brithish Government is wrong then as well as me. ?
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by themajor
(Post 11684342)
It would appear the the Brithish Government is wrong then as well as me. ?
What is disputed here is your view that "the millions" already here have apparently ruined our/your life. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 11684364)
I don't think anyone on this Forum disputes the fact that the UK needs border controls and to make decisions as to how many immigrants of whatever nationality of origin come into the country, we are an island with a limit in land space.
What is disputed here is your view that "the millions" already here have apparently ruined our/your life. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11684368)
You haven't been reading much of the forum then. Plenty think exactly that.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
I agree with open borders within the EU, which means that no limit can be put on immigrant numbers. There are a lot of people on this site who would agree with me.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 11684364)
I don't think anyone on this Forum disputes the fact that the UK needs border controls and to make decisions as to how many immigrants of whatever nationality of origin come into the country, we are an island with a limit in land space.
What is disputed here is your view that "the millions" already here have apparently ruined our/your life. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 11684377)
I do read a great deal of the Forum-- but I have not read any post advocating unlimited immigration to UK and open borders!!
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11684400)
See post #136. ;)
(This particular part of the discussion was an expansion on another poster's problem with "The millions" and the "dangerous ethnic minorities"!! |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11684250)
You can take some comfort from the fact that the two most anti-immigrant posters on this thread are actually living in Florida and Cyprus.
Once again, increase in population without consideration to an improvement and increase in the infrastructure of the UK will place that infrastructure under immense pressure. Yes or no?
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11684381)
I agree with open borders within the EU, which means that no limit can be put on immigrant numbers. There are a lot of people on this site who would agree with me.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11684440)
If, when mentioning Florida, you are referring to me, I'd like to remind you, once again, that there is a huge difference between, anti-immigrant, or indeed anti-immigration and anti-uncontrolled immigration. Using the 'anti-immigrant' slur to try and shout down debate is infantile and pathetic.
Once again, increase in population without consideration to an improvement and increase in the infrastructure of the UK will place that infrastructure under immense pressure. Yes or no? I agree with the EU concept and ultimately with open borders, but feel it has been badly managed by politicians trying to do too much too quickly. But that's another thread. :) |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11684446)
As you know, I disagree with you on the point about infrastructure. I'm not going to go over old ground.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11684381)
I agree with open borders within the EU, which means that no limit can be put on immigrant numbers. There are a lot of people on this site who would agree with me.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by themajor
(Post 11684279)
Hi it's me again from sunny Cyprus.
I have lived all over the world. Every time that I returned to the UK I was unsettled by the mass of IMMIGRANTS. These were from several countries.
Originally Posted by themajor
(Post 11684279)
I was born in rural Lincolnshire on a farm. On business I travelled all over the UK. On entering Cities such as Bradford and Leicester I was confused. I thought I was back in Asia. In parts of London, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds and several other Cities the police will not enter. Why? because of the ehtnic minority (as they are called) make it too dangerous.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 11684745)
My irony meter is exploding.
I was born in Birmingham. Ethnic diversity has made it a way more interesting place to live than when I was growing up. Really, I think you're talking crap. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Recently went to Birmingham for shopping and yes the railway station is awful , renovation still only half finished and the road dug up for tram lines but---- nothing to do with immigrants:rofl:
We go to Leicester Belgrave area (the area many of THEM live) quite often, our Indian bank branch is there, spend the boring time complaining about the wait with other "ethnics". Then a very good lunch and disappointment as the shops where I used to be able to get an upmarket sari to take back for weddings is closed, and no choice of anything else as those wretched 'others' now just integrate and wear western clothes!! :lol: |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 11684742)
Yes, I agree in free movement too. I don't see how you can have a viable free market without free movement of labour. Having said that, I don't have an issue with making benefits unavailable to new residents for a qualifying period.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by themajor
(Post 11684773)
Someone has to be born in Brum. So why did you emigrate from such a lovely City
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
I'm an IMMIGRANT but I'm okay
My skin's lily white, I speak English all day (He's an IMMIGRANT but he's ok His skin's lily white, he speaks English all day) I cut down Poles and any ethnic bunch Who squat on the lavat'ry I don't eat none of that foreign muck I'm no ethnic minori-teee (He's an IMMIGRANT but he's ok His skin's lily white, he speaks English all day) Ohhhh! I'm an IMMIGRANT but I'm ok My skin's lily white, I speak English all day |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11685613)
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11685613)
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11685613)
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Bud refers to that article, but seems to miss the point that the DT thinks immigration numbers can't be controlled and the answer is to invest in infrastructure, not stop immigration.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 11685848)
Time for a "one child" policy then.
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11685643)
Interesting, but notice the first part of the article refers to England's population being 54 million, and the second part uses the UK for 70 million. Nevertheless, more infrastructure will be required as population increases.
BTW, I've just watched a programme about the cut backs in the police. How they can reconcile that with a growing population I don't know.
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11686039)
Bud refers to that article, but seems to miss the point that the DT thinks immigration numbers can't be controlled and the answer is to invest in infrastructure, not stop immigration.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11686144)
I'm sure your intelligence didn't drop to that level and you just forgot to add the sarcasm smilie. :)
If in 1996 the project population was 51 million today, I would assume, though I have my doubts, that the government would have taken this into account with regard to keeping pace with infrastructure. The actual figure being 54 million today would therefore mean we are already a long way behind keeping pace with a growing population. BTW, I've just watched a programme about the cut backs in the police. How they can reconcile that with a growing population I don't know. Please re-read the article again and refrain from posting comments that are untrue. Unless this is going to be stopped, and it is hard to see how it will be, then it is incumbent on the Government to provide the schools, road and hospitals to cope with the numbers. Recent experience of Westminster’s capacity for long-term planning does not leave much room for encouragement. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11686144)
I'm sure your intelligence didn't drop to that level and you just forgot to add the sarcasm smilie. :)
If in 1996 the project population was 51 million today, I would assume, though I have my doubts, that the government would have taken this into account with regard to keeping pace with infrastructure. The actual figure being 54 million today would therefore mean we are already a long way behind keeping pace with a growing population. BTW, I've just watched a programme about the cut backs in the police. How they can reconcile that with a growing population I don't know. Please re-read the article again and refrain from posting comments that are untrue. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11686152)
That's the last paragraph. Maybe you didn't read it all the way through to the end?
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11686153)
Provision of services such as housing, hospitals, schools and police is not an exact science. There are generally going to be shortages or pressures, as the alternative is to overbuild/oversupply and be accused (rightly) of squandering money. At present, there are pressures in some areas, partially due to higher immigration. Over time these pressures will be reduced as more resources are allocated. Its not the crisis you seem to be imagining from a far. It's normal Britain plodding along and evolving.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11686170)
Quote the full paragraph. They are talking about population growth. You choose to single out immigration for some reason.:sneaky:
I'd prefer forward planning, but I guess financial restraints prohibit that at present. Any way time will tell, let's hope in the not too distant future the politicians get the balance right. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Yes let us hope that the Politicians can get the balance right
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