Originally Posted by rebeccajo (Post 11676963)

I don't understand why people get bent out of shape with the concept of the local population not wanting to do low-skilled jobs.

The majority of any local workforce is usually more "skilled" than a migrant if by no other credential than language. They are usually more "skilled" because whatever education they do have is the local norm. Low skilled work is normally left to those locals who are school leavers. Most school leavers are under achievers and that's not a habit they are likely to break as long as they are warm, dry and fed. Either by their parents or by society.

Being out on the street with nobody to fall back on but yourself is life's biggest motivator. A migrant is often one of those people. If they don't work, they don't eat. So they will take anything. I don't know of any nation with a modern recorded history of migration that hasn't seen the same phenomenon. Chinese came to the US in the late 1800's and worked on the railroads. Irish, Germans and Italians came to the US in the early 1900's and cleaned houses, swept streets, worked on the docks or whatever else they could get. They needed to eat.

It's not just about the locals not being willing to DO low skilled work. They can't compete with someone who comes in and is happy to take the job. Instead of taking it on begrudgingly.

It's about education vs. motivation. If the 'layabouts' had even a basic education, their education and place in the local society would naturally give them preference over the migrant. But they chose not to be motivated. So the hungry migrant wins. It's right there in all the history books for anyone to see. It's nothing new or unique to the UK.

Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser (Post 11676937)

You didn't answer the question.

I understand the point about affordable housing.

Originally Posted by Editha (Post 11677158)

Always easier to find a scapegoat to blame, like immigrants, than examine facts isn't it?

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11677226)

Which question was that? If it's the "people who would have bought through Right to Buy" I did answer it. They would live in the same affordable accommodation on rental basis or in a purchased property if they had the budget to do so.

Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser (Post 11677274)

And, probably, the only purchased property they would be able to buy would be the 'right to buy' property. Either way that property does not go back on the availability list.

At the end of the day it is undeniable that the UK infrastructure is under immense pressure due, in no small part, to the increase in population.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11677303)

Incorrect. Some of the "affordable" property does become available as people move on. You said you understood this, but clearly you don't.

Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser (Post 11677312)

They're not moving on, they're staying in the same house. We'll have to agree to differ on this because it's a small point in the overall picture of the current crisis facing many of the services in the UK due to increased population.

Originally Posted by Grayling (Post 11677315)

Strange how you living wherever you do can see this crisis but I live here and can't:confused::rolleyes:

I have experienced none of the problems you claim are rife

Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser (Post 11677379)

designed to stir up trouble.

Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser (Post 11677379)

Using that logic we would have to discredit everything you said about the UK when you lived in Australia.:lol:

Come on be sensible. If you know how to use google ( link Google ) you can do your own research.

FYI. I will not respond to any more of your posts on this thread as you have a history of disrupting threads by posting irrelevant comments that have nothing to do with the subject matter and are designed to stir up trouble. e.g. post #84 on this thread.

Originally Posted by themajor (Post 11677396)

:oNow now children. Stop throwing the toys out of the pram:o

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11677207)

In fact many immigrants are educated and skilled--but they take low skilled jobs because they have to!!! (Many immigrant bus drivers/factory workers in the 60s -70s-80s had degrees).

Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser (Post 11677379)

FYI. I will not respond to any more of your posts on this thread as you have a history of disrupting threads by posting irrelevant comments that have nothing to do with the subject matter and are designed to stir up trouble. e.g. post #84 on this thread.

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11678048)

Says the person who introduced Beeching and the Romans into this thread :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser (Post 11678101)

Whooooooooooshhh. 'twas nowt but a touch of humour, do lighten up. ,

Anyway, how can I take what you post seriously when, according to some, you have to actually live in England to have an opinion about the place .:confused::confused::confused:

C'est la vie.

Actually, I do take on board your comments, I just don't agree with all of them.

P.S. I still maintain the general principal of the OP, in that mass uncontrolled immigration is putting tremendous strain on the infrastructure and services. Not all the fault of immigration, and in some cases, such as the NHS, not the primary cause, but it certainly adds to the burden.

That's all I've been trying to say. Simples.

Originally Posted by themajor (Post 11678226)

Everyone on here has there own oppinions. Thats healthy. However what ever we say it all boils down to the fact the our tiny Island of Great Britain is full to bursting. Not enough beds in Hospitals, not enough Dr's or nurses, not enough schools, not enough housing. So what has caused all this.
Simple realy..Too many people and the fact is that it is all down to mass immigration.

There that is my oppinion.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11678229)

Why is your opinion not, "we aren't building enough hospitals and schools"? There's plenty of space on this small island; its not mountainous in the way Japan is for instance. Even in the SE there is plenty of space for new buildings (not that I think it should be used when there are even more vast tracts up north).

Originally Posted by themajor (Post 11678234)

Troll?

Originally Posted by themajor (Post 11678226)

Everyone on here has there own oppinions. Thats healthy. However what ever we say it all boils down to the fact the our tiny Island of Great Britain is full to bursting. Not enough beds in Hospitals, not enough Dr's or nurses, not enough schools, not enough housing. So what has caused all this.
Simple realy..Too many people and the fact is that it is all down to mass immigration.

There that is my oppinion.

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11678242)

While I agree that border controls and an immigration programme are very necessary. I think you have chosen a wrong example!!
There are not enough doctors and nurses because not enough are being trained in the UK. Since the 1940s, the NHS has too long relied on saving money by recruiting overseas staff. A point not often mentioned is that the children of nurses and doctors often also train to become doctors and nurses, the statistics don't take this into account.

Figures show extent of NHS reliance on foreign nationals | Society | The Guardian

Originally Posted by themajor (Post 11678271)

If the population was several million less then there would be enough beds,dr's,nurses,teachers,schools, etc etc. Just think back in time before all the MILLIONS of imigrants came here. Remember how we saw the Dr when we went the surgery, we did not have to make an appointment. Remember how when you were refered to a Consultant you saw him within a few days not several months. Remember when the school class rooms were only 12-15 pupils per lesson. The schools of nursing had waiting lists. All before the MILLIONS of immigrants came. Whem accident and Emergency was what it was for and not for patients who cannot get to see the Dr. remember when there was FREE dental care for everyone.

Originally Posted by Editha (Post 11678178)

Actually Bud, living in 'the sunshine state' does put you at a disadvantage when commenting on the state of Britain's infrastructure.

For example, just at this moment, I'm having breakfast in a hotel overlooking the Thames, courtesy of a TV company. I travelled into London yesterday, using a transport infrastructure that seemed to be working fine to me. I'm being served by waiters, who from their complexions and accents, are all immigrants, as was the taxi driver I who brought me here. They don't appear to be 'putting a strain on infrastructure and services'; in fact they appear to be the infrastructure and services.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11678219)

To be fair to Bud, it's fairly widely acknowledged by the politicians that the schools and health services are currently strained by the increased immigration. Whether that means pulling up the drawbridge or building more services is a different argument.

Originally Posted by themajor (Post 11678271)

If the population was several million less then there would be enough beds,dr's,nurses,teachers,schools, etc etc. Just think back in time before all the MILLIONS of imigrants came here. Remember how we saw the Dr when we went the surgery, we did not have to make an appointment. Remember how when you were refered to a Consultant you saw him within a few days not several months. Remember when the school class rooms were only 12-15 pupils per lesson. The schools of nursing had waiting lists. All before the MILLIONS of immigrants came. Whem accident and Emergency was what it was for and not for patients who cannot get to see the Dr. remember when there was FREE dental care for everyone.

Originally Posted by themajor (Post 11678271)

If the population was several million less then there would be enough beds,dr's,nurses,teachers,schools, etc etc. Just think back in time before all the MILLIONS of imigrants came here. Remember how we saw the Dr when we went the surgery, we did not have to make an appointment. Remember how when you were refered to a Consultant you saw him within a few days not several months. Remember when the school class rooms were only 12-15 pupils per lesson. The schools of nursing had waiting lists. All before the MILLIONS of immigrants came. Whem accident and Emergency was what it was for and not for patients who cannot get to see the Dr. remember when there was FREE dental care for everyone.

Originally Posted by themajor (Post 11678271)

If the population was several million less then there would be enough beds,dr's,nurses,teachers,schools, etc etc.

Just think back in time before all the MILLIONS of imigrants came here. Remember how we saw the Dr when we went the surgery, we did not have to make an appointment.

Remember how when you were referred to a Consultant you saw him within a few days not several months. Remember when the school class rooms were only 12-15 pupils per lesson. The schools of nursing had waiting lists. All before the MILLIONS of immigrants came. When accident and Emergency was what it was for and not for patients who cannot get to see the Dr. remember when there was FREE dental care for everyone.

Originally Posted by themajor (Post 11678628)

I will close the door behind me.

Originally Posted by themajor (Post 11678690)

Britain's 50 years of immigration mapped: How Blair's decision to open the borders to Eastern Europe changed the face of the UK
Fifty years of immigration mapped: How Blair’s decision to open the borders to Eastern
More than a third of all migrants living in Britain are now white Europeans - including over half a million Poles - a new government study has revealed. Overall, there are 7.5 million people living in England and Wales who were born outside the UK - making up some 13 per cent of the population. But where previously Britain's migrant population was dominated by ethnic minorities from Commonwealth countries - mainly the Caribbean, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India - almost a third are now registered 'white' and moved to the UK from the continent. Before 1981, 485,000 migrants moved to the UK from the Indian sub-continent - more than twice the number of Europeans. Between 1981 and 2000, the numbers arriving from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh had fallen slightly to 420,000 - but were still more than those moving to the UK from the continent. However, in the years after 2001 the number of migrants from the EU rocketed. Overall, around 1.5million migrants moved to the UK from Europe - compared to just 600,000 from south Asia.

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11678506)

rubbish & you know it, then again

according to the GMC in the UK near 40% of doctors & nurses are from outside the UK which are needed to fill the void. Now if only the UK could stop the emigration

NHS hires up to 3,000 foreign-trained doctors in a year to plug staff shortage | Society | The Guardian

On school class sizes, not so - back when I was in primary school living in a metropolitan area, it was always 40/class in an all boys school, my wife confirms it was the same in hers also.

On a GP to specialist consultation - it was never quick, months as I remember it back in the 50's early 60's

Originally Posted by Editha (Post 11679638)

Ditto. My class at primary school had 40 pupils. My class at grammar school had 30.

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11652176)

the latest numbers from the ONS show increasing net migration to the UK - it has to stop.

Net migration into the UK rose by 50% to 318,000 last year, new figures show.

Net migration to UK reaches 318,000 - BBC News

Net migration to the UK was 318,000 in the year ending December 2014, according to the latest provisional estimates - ONS

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) said this was a "statistically significant" rise of more than 109,000 compared with the previous year.

There were increases in both EU and non-EU migration, with the total figure close to 2005's all-time high.

- 45% non EU citizens
- 42% EU citizens (excluding Brits)
- 13% British citizens

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 11684105)

Here's another non EU citizen that'll be adding to the numbers of migrants by the end of the year.

Thanks for the welcome :heart:

Originally Posted by feelbritish (Post 11684165)

:lol: Hopefully me too but are we exempted because we have British Roots and married to Brits and totally self-sufficient?