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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11685613)
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11685613)
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11685613)
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Bud refers to that article, but seems to miss the point that the DT thinks immigration numbers can't be controlled and the answer is to invest in infrastructure, not stop immigration.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 11685848)
Time for a "one child" policy then.
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11685643)
Interesting, but notice the first part of the article refers to England's population being 54 million, and the second part uses the UK for 70 million. Nevertheless, more infrastructure will be required as population increases.
BTW, I've just watched a programme about the cut backs in the police. How they can reconcile that with a growing population I don't know.
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11686039)
Bud refers to that article, but seems to miss the point that the DT thinks immigration numbers can't be controlled and the answer is to invest in infrastructure, not stop immigration.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11686144)
I'm sure your intelligence didn't drop to that level and you just forgot to add the sarcasm smilie. :)
If in 1996 the project population was 51 million today, I would assume, though I have my doubts, that the government would have taken this into account with regard to keeping pace with infrastructure. The actual figure being 54 million today would therefore mean we are already a long way behind keeping pace with a growing population. BTW, I've just watched a programme about the cut backs in the police. How they can reconcile that with a growing population I don't know. Please re-read the article again and refrain from posting comments that are untrue. Unless this is going to be stopped, and it is hard to see how it will be, then it is incumbent on the Government to provide the schools, road and hospitals to cope with the numbers. Recent experience of Westminster’s capacity for long-term planning does not leave much room for encouragement. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11686144)
I'm sure your intelligence didn't drop to that level and you just forgot to add the sarcasm smilie. :)
If in 1996 the project population was 51 million today, I would assume, though I have my doubts, that the government would have taken this into account with regard to keeping pace with infrastructure. The actual figure being 54 million today would therefore mean we are already a long way behind keeping pace with a growing population. BTW, I've just watched a programme about the cut backs in the police. How they can reconcile that with a growing population I don't know. Please re-read the article again and refrain from posting comments that are untrue. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11686152)
That's the last paragraph. Maybe you didn't read it all the way through to the end?
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11686153)
Provision of services such as housing, hospitals, schools and police is not an exact science. There are generally going to be shortages or pressures, as the alternative is to overbuild/oversupply and be accused (rightly) of squandering money. At present, there are pressures in some areas, partially due to higher immigration. Over time these pressures will be reduced as more resources are allocated. Its not the crisis you seem to be imagining from a far. It's normal Britain plodding along and evolving.
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11686170)
Quote the full paragraph. They are talking about population growth. You choose to single out immigration for some reason.:sneaky:
I'd prefer forward planning, but I guess financial restraints prohibit that at present. Any way time will tell, let's hope in the not too distant future the politicians get the balance right. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Yes let us hope that the Politicians can get the balance right
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Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11686190)
Now you are talking nonsense. Not for the first time.
To be clear.......... For the stresses put on the infrastructure..... I do not blame immigrants, I blame the politicians for lack of planning and forethought with regard to immigration, aging population and homegrown population growth. I am not anti-immigration, I am anti-uncontrolled immigration. To say that there is no problem with an infrastructure that hasn't matched population growth is pure head in the sand thinking. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser
(Post 11686204)
Look, if you've lost the debate, just admit it and concede. No need for misquotes, selective paraphrases and untruths.
To be clear.......... For the stresses put on the infrastructure..... I do not blame immigrants, I blame the politicians for lack of planning and forethought with regard to immigration, aging population and homegrown population growth. I am not anti-immigration, I am anti-uncontrolled immigration. To say that there is no problem with an infrastructure that hasn't matched population growth is pure head in the sand thinking. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
It doesn't seem to occur to posters on this thread that that immigrants originating from outside the EU also agree with sensible controls.
(Their countries of origin have border controls which in some countries affects the British immigrants when they return) Unfortunately the discussions can lead to a general anti-immigrant prejudice against the 'millions' already in the UK, particularly those that stand out by reason of appearance and who may well be British born. Further to above in case it indicates an 'I'm alright jack attitude'. Since the last war waves of immigrants have arrived under different circumstances the refugees from the war, then those encouraged from the Commonwealth to fill jobs. Many had come /came from the subcontinent to take civil service exams or post graduate exams --these were not available at home under British occupation, and took some time to set up there after independence. Many of these people were offered jobs in UK or were lured into marriage!!! or just liked the UK and stayed for short or long time. Then followed those in difficulties in Kenya/Uganda etc. who were mostly from business communities, those recruited for essential jobs eg. NHS and finally the economic migrants and those looking for a better/different life as most of the expats on this Forum have done. Immigrants and their descendants are not just one homogenous crowd, but they are all part of the 'millions' disapproved of by some!!! |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
You write nonsense Bud. Lost the argument? Ha ha ha!
Your sole source of information about the UK appears to be The Daily Telegraph. Even then, you have a rather ridiculous habit of quoting articles from it, or the right-wing think tanks preferred by the DT, which you think support your argument, but actually don't. You'd probably benefit from a course in remedial English comprehension. Also, you are anti-immigrant, not just 'anti-immigration' as you claim. If you weren't you would not be so obsessed with the subject that you have to exaggerate the problem even beyond what is claimed by the right wing press. I can't be bothered to argue with you any more. Frankly, it is beneath me. |
Re: UK Migration has to stop
Originally Posted by Editha
(Post 11686346)
You write nonsense Bud. Lost the argument? Ha ha ha!
Your sole source of information about the UK appears to be The Daily Telegraph. Even then, you have a rather ridiculous habit of quoting articles from it or the right-wing think tanks preferred by the DT which you think support your argument, but actually don't. Frankly, you'd probably benefit from a course in remedial English comprehension. Also, you are anti-immigrant, not just 'anti-immigration' as you claim. If you weren't you would not be so obsessed with the subject that you have to exaggerate the problem even beyond what is claimed by the right wing press. I can't be bothered to argue with you any more. Frankly, it is beneath me. He claims to want to return to the UK but is surprisingly reluctant to give us any details about himself or his plans. He is really just shit stirring. |
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