Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
I agree in what you are saying. But the UK is a lost cause, it is broken and the repair is a major one. The milking of this country has gone on way to long. One can understand the resentment of the English born people. Yes, every Country has it's fair share of problems, but here in the UK the Government seem to be a law unto themselves and do not listen to the majority.
As for the government being a law unto themselves and not listening to the majority, I think that speaks to pretty much every government in the world.
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
http://www.gotravel24.com/theme/feat...op-destination
Anyway this is about UK and not a political debate or subjective feelings
Every country in the world has the good and the bad. It is just finding what suits you. There is no-where perfect so most people have to make a compromise somewhere!
Anyway this is about UK and not a political debate or subjective feelings
Every country in the world has the good and the bad. It is just finding what suits you. There is no-where perfect so most people have to make a compromise somewhere!
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
I agree in what you are saying. But the UK is a lost cause, it is broken and the repair is a major one. The milking of this country has gone on way to long. One can understand the resentment of the English born people. Yes, every Country has it's fair share of problems, but here in the UK the Government seem to be a law unto themselves and do not listen to the majority.
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
the reports don't seem to support your opinion. Yes there are things that need to be fixed but it is moving in the right direction.
As for the government being a law unto themselves and not listening to the majority, I think that speaks to pretty much every government in the world.
As for the government being a law unto themselves and not listening to the majority, I think that speaks to pretty much every government in the world.
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
You may be right. I hope and think you are wrong. I have spent the last week walking and looking around the East End of London (My number one favourite place in the world).
England has always welcomed people. On Brick Lane there is a mosque. Started life as a Catholic Church. Then Protestant. Also a Synagogue. Perhaps Zoroastrian? Who cares? That is what we in England do.
Strong vibrant communities of hard-working people. Nearly all from somewhere else. Businesses sprouting all over the place (as they always do with immigrant communities, who are ALL seeking a better life). That is why the UK will ALWAYS succeed. Because we have a higher proportion of people who want more than most countries.
It was different to what I remember. Just as what I remember is different to what my parents remember, and their parents etc etc etc.
But if it does kick off, the thing that really pi*sses me off is total scum-bags like Straw and Blunkett now--NOW-- trying to pretend they did not know what they were doing and what the consequences could be. (And they did know. Ask Andrew Neather)
THREE million people in just ten years. In a country of 50 odd million. Where did they think they would live? Where did they think the houses would come from? How did they think the hospitals would cope? The schools? The roads? The buses?
How on earth did these idiots think the country could manage?
Sorry. Rant over.
My own personal "fix" for any country is that all politicians should be paid very well. BUT>>>>>>
They have to live in the average family house. Their children should go to the average school. And so on.
If that were the case, just think how fast things would improve.
England has always welcomed people. On Brick Lane there is a mosque. Started life as a Catholic Church. Then Protestant. Also a Synagogue. Perhaps Zoroastrian? Who cares? That is what we in England do.
Strong vibrant communities of hard-working people. Nearly all from somewhere else. Businesses sprouting all over the place (as they always do with immigrant communities, who are ALL seeking a better life). That is why the UK will ALWAYS succeed. Because we have a higher proportion of people who want more than most countries.
It was different to what I remember. Just as what I remember is different to what my parents remember, and their parents etc etc etc.
But if it does kick off, the thing that really pi*sses me off is total scum-bags like Straw and Blunkett now--NOW-- trying to pretend they did not know what they were doing and what the consequences could be. (And they did know. Ask Andrew Neather)
THREE million people in just ten years. In a country of 50 odd million. Where did they think they would live? Where did they think the houses would come from? How did they think the hospitals would cope? The schools? The roads? The buses?
How on earth did these idiots think the country could manage?
Sorry. Rant over.
My own personal "fix" for any country is that all politicians should be paid very well. BUT>>>>>>
They have to live in the average family house. Their children should go to the average school. And so on.
If that were the case, just think how fast things would improve.
My beef about immigration is simply too many, too quickly, without, as you say, any forethought to infrastructure and the social impact. ( Much the same with the EU trying to push their agenda too quickly ).
As the generations progress there hopefully will be more integration and a better understanding and acceptance of the different cultures. I'm far more tolerant than my parents and my kids are far more accepting of the changes than me. And so it goes on.
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
My own personal "fix" for any country is that all politicians should be paid very well. BUT>>>>>>
They have to live in the average family house. Their children should go to the average school. And so on.
If that were the case, just think how fast things would improve.
and ALL election finance should be from the public purse* and strictly limited and subject to strict review - end of. Get rid of special interests!
*Labour are happy to separate themselves from being in the Unions' pocket, so no problem there
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
In 1998, Gordon Brown started something called " The Trade Union Learning Fund".
All government departments contribute variable amounts - DBIS for example between 10 and 12 million a year. The total is in excess of 15 million a year, which strangely is roughly the amount the Trades Unions then give to the Labour Party.
Nobody in the Labour Party, least of all Ed Miliband, has ever said they will stop being financed by the Trades Unions. What they did say was that they would "examine" the political levy. If automatic donation to the Labour Party were abolished, that would in point of fact INCREASE the influence that the Unions have on Labour, as the funding would then be entirely at the discretion of Mr McCluskey and his pals.
#1433
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Private/special interests funding of political parties pales in comparison to the US. I agree that they all should be given the same amount and told "There it is, and when it's gone, it's gone". Put everyone on a level playing field.
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
I would go with sortition if I was in charge - have MPs chosen by random lottery, like we do with juries.
No need for any money to be spent on elections, no race/age/gender bias, lobbying would become obsolete. What's not to like
No need for any money to be spent on elections, no race/age/gender bias, lobbying would become obsolete. What's not to like
#1437
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
And remember, just before Tony Blair introduced the Human Rights Act, his wife set up a new business area- Matrix Chambers - human rights lawyers. (Her previous experience was industrial relations and employment law)
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
I'd also like something done about what politicians can do AFTER the leave office.
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Hmmmm
In 1998, Gordon Brown started something called " The Trade Union Learning Fund".
All government departments contribute variable amounts - DBIS for example between 10 and 12 million a year. The total is in excess of 15 million a year, which strangely is roughly the amount the Trades Unions then give to the Labour Party.
Nobody in the Labour Party, least of all Ed Miliband, has ever said they will stop being financed by the Trades Unions. What they did say was that they would "examine" the political levy. If automatic donation to the Labour Party were abolished, that would in point of fact INCREASE the influence that the Unions have on Labour, as the funding would then be entirely at the discretion of Mr McCluskey and his pals.
In 1998, Gordon Brown started something called " The Trade Union Learning Fund".
All government departments contribute variable amounts - DBIS for example between 10 and 12 million a year. The total is in excess of 15 million a year, which strangely is roughly the amount the Trades Unions then give to the Labour Party.
Nobody in the Labour Party, least of all Ed Miliband, has ever said they will stop being financed by the Trades Unions. What they did say was that they would "examine" the political levy. If automatic donation to the Labour Party were abolished, that would in point of fact INCREASE the influence that the Unions have on Labour, as the funding would then be entirely at the discretion of Mr McCluskey and his pals.
Osborne's long-term strategy is to make UK a competitive business environment in terms of labour costs and taxes which can only be accomplished by cutting Government expenditure. The exact opposite, so it seems, of what France is struggling with right now.
When (OLD) (Brownite) Labour get back in, in time the old negative issues will re-surface which the former NEW labour powers-that-be thought/realised made Labour un-electible, namely:
from Peter Mandelson's book - The Third Man (A Brilliant Defeat chapter)
'Over two decades, our share of the vote had fallen by nearly 20 per cent, while Tory support had remained steady. Even more disturbing were the findings about why people voted as they did. In the case of the Conservatives, it was their tougher, more aspirational appeal. But more than a quarter of Labour's shrinking base said they remained with us only out of residual loyalty. Among those who abandoned us, there was a remarkable consistency in the reasons they said had driven them away. 'Extremism' came top, followed by the dominance of the trade unions, our defence policy, and finally 'weak leadership'. It was not just the well-off who didn't like us, but in an increasingly mobile economy, the role of manual work was decreasing. Share ownership and home ownership were rising, and more voters had the kind of aspirations which they said made them reluctant to elect a Labour government. We were becoming less and less popular, less and less relevant....................our image unsettled and alienated voters, our organisation and leadership dented their trust. Our policies clashed with their hopes not only for the country but for themselves.'
Hence the critical influence of the middle classes.
Post this:
Enter a NEW LABOUR (not hopefully a cloned Blairite New Labour), otherwise enter NO LABOUR! Lest we/they forget.
I absolutely agree with the 'least of all Ed Miliband'. What I'm saying is that any campaign finance outside of the public funding will be illegal and subject to close scrutiny. Doesn't this get away from Len?
The problem is that so much damage has been done, that either boxed-in party has to be pre-occupied with undoing that to the extent that it continues to wreak havoc in some large communities and in the public purse and therefore the ability to provide services, so there is precious little room for a stand-out ideology other than a bit of showmanship here or there, a la price controls on the energy sector. Anyway, what is promised now may in no way resemble what happens or is deliverable post-election.