Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Aug 10th 2013, 4:27 am
#421
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
The Liverpool care pathway is used worldwide.....how about checking a few details before you rush in to slag off the UK.
Dodgy doctors also exist everywhere.....and hospital problems are not unique to the UK
Not sure what you want to achieve with these constant, selective, negative posts about the UK......or maybe I do know
Dodgy doctors also exist everywhere.....and hospital problems are not unique to the UK
Not sure what you want to achieve with these constant, selective, negative posts about the UK......or maybe I do know
Aug 10th 2013, 6:38 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
The Liverpool care pathway is used worldwide.....how about checking a few details before you rush in to slag off the UK.
Dodgy doctors also exist everywhere.....and hospital problems are not unique to the UK
Not sure what you want to achieve with these constant, selective, negative posts about the UK......or maybe I do know
Dodgy doctors also exist everywhere.....and hospital problems are not unique to the UK
Not sure what you want to achieve with these constant, selective, negative posts about the UK......or maybe I do know
Aug 10th 2013, 6:41 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
The exact problem. The problem with the British economy is that has embraced an economic model that has been demonstrated not to work, but it does enrich those controlling what kind of economy the British embrace, so it goes round in neat little circles, for ever increasing the wealth gap. The Australians are doing the same thing.
Barn door . . . Horse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQrz...e_gdata_player
Aug 10th 2013, 7:27 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Just as Jimmy Goldsmith predicated on the Charlie Rose Show in 1994.
Barn door . . . Horse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQrz...e_gdata_player
Barn door . . . Horse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQrz...e_gdata_player
This particularly when you take into account the cost of moving raw materials into China and then finished goods over to the US. We are still a good way off to actual closure but China's overall competitive advantage has diminished sufficiently that key manufacturers such as Apple and Boeing for example are looking to bring certain processes back to the US.
Of course this is not good news for shippers such as Moller (Maersk) or even FedEx.
Whether Europe and the Uk can also take advantage of this 'move' is another matter. More likely they can tap into the rich vein of wealth that has emerged in China and sell luxury and high-end goods as the car-makers have been doing and LVMH.
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Aug 10th 2013, 7:59 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
This seems to have come down (down being the operative word), to the need to prove that the UK is the pits.
The thread was winding down, but on a generally positive note. That HAD to be countered.
Interestingly the methodology changed. Oh the need to pan the UK is still there, but no longer is there to be direct response to those who don't feel the need to trash the UK.
Now it's the 'discuss between ourselves-show how intelligent we are-prove it with even more links' model!
It is now blatant to me that this is being done to justify remaining in one's country of choice, because returning to 'such a place' would be a retrograde step. It becomes an essential tool to prove one's point with copious links. It becomes obsession. The point has to be 'won'.
Sad really.
Kind of like water; it finds its own level; these are exactly the kind of people the UK does not need!
It is equally stupid in my view to go with the 'bed of roses' thing, but I've yet to see a post that has done that. I have some niggling worries about it, that is realistic; but I'm not so damn stupid as to ignore the millions that are happy living in the UK (or are we now going to get to the absurd level that in 'actual fact' many millions are profoundly unhappy but they just don't talk about it???)
I appreciate that Minogue/Humphries/Greer et al, are 'wealthy so it's OK for them',-but are they happy living in the UK? Would they be happier in Australia?
After all, they do have the mullah to hope on a plane in comfort class to go anywhere for work.
Why are they choosing to live in the UK?
Unthinkable that they might actually prefer it, is it?
It is not a personal attack if I make a general comment:
Why can't you get it into your thick skulls that so very many British are happy living there?
If that were not the case, the meltdown of disaffection would be an utter tidal wave that would dominate global media.
It doesn't. Why is that, do you think?
(I know it's a struggle, but work it out!).
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Do you remember what this thread is all about?
The thread was winding down, but on a generally positive note. That HAD to be countered.
Interestingly the methodology changed. Oh the need to pan the UK is still there, but no longer is there to be direct response to those who don't feel the need to trash the UK.
Now it's the 'discuss between ourselves-show how intelligent we are-prove it with even more links' model!
It is now blatant to me that this is being done to justify remaining in one's country of choice, because returning to 'such a place' would be a retrograde step. It becomes an essential tool to prove one's point with copious links. It becomes obsession. The point has to be 'won'.
Sad really.
Kind of like water; it finds its own level; these are exactly the kind of people the UK does not need!
It is equally stupid in my view to go with the 'bed of roses' thing, but I've yet to see a post that has done that. I have some niggling worries about it, that is realistic; but I'm not so damn stupid as to ignore the millions that are happy living in the UK (or are we now going to get to the absurd level that in 'actual fact' many millions are profoundly unhappy but they just don't talk about it???)
I appreciate that Minogue/Humphries/Greer et al, are 'wealthy so it's OK for them',-but are they happy living in the UK? Would they be happier in Australia?
After all, they do have the mullah to hope on a plane in comfort class to go anywhere for work.
Why are they choosing to live in the UK?
Unthinkable that they might actually prefer it, is it?
It is not a personal attack if I make a general comment:
Why can't you get it into your thick skulls that so very many British are happy living there?
If that were not the case, the meltdown of disaffection would be an utter tidal wave that would dominate global media.
It doesn't. Why is that, do you think?
(I know it's a struggle, but work it out!).
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Do you remember what this thread is all about?
Aug 10th 2013, 8:13 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
The link I posted was just information on a global treaty that has had an negative impact on north American and European countries. In no way was this a reflection solely on the UK. But I know that the economies of Canada and the US have been subjected to large amounts of offshoring. And from what friends in the UK tell me this is also happening there.
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Aug 10th 2013, 8:40 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
This seems to have come down (down being the operative word), to the need to prove that the UK is the pits.
The thread was winding down, but on a generally positive note. That HAD to be countered.
Interestingly the methodology changed. Oh the need to pan the UK is still there, but no longer is there to be direct response to those who don't feel the need to trash the UK.
Now it's the 'discuss between ourselves-show how intelligent we are-prove it with even more links' model!
It is now blatant to me that this is being done to justify remaining in one's country of choice, because returning to 'such a place' would be a retrograde step. It becomes an essential tool to prove one's point with copious links. It becomes obsession. The point has to be 'won'.
Sad really.
Kind of like water; it finds its own level; these are exactly the kind of people the UK does not need!
It is equally stupid in my view to go with the 'bed of roses' thing, but I've yet to see a post that has done that. I have some niggling worries about it, that is realistic; but I'm not so damn stupid as to ignore the millions that are happy living in the UK (or are we now going to get to the absurd level that in 'actual fact' many millions are profoundly unhappy but they just don't talk about it???)
I appreciate that Minogue/Humphries/Greer et al, are 'wealthy so it's OK for them',-but are they happy living in the UK? Would they be happier in Australia?
After all, they do have the mullah to hope on a plane in comfort class to go anywhere for work.
Why are they choosing to live in the UK?
Unthinkable that they might actually prefer it, is it?
It is not a personal attack if I make a general comment:
Why can't you get it into your thick skulls that so very many British are happy living there?
If that were not the case, the meltdown of disaffection would be an utter tidal wave that would dominate global media.
It doesn't. Why is that, do you think?
(I know it's a struggle, but work it out!).
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New posts:
Do you remember what this thread is all about?
The thread was winding down, but on a generally positive note. That HAD to be countered.
Interestingly the methodology changed. Oh the need to pan the UK is still there, but no longer is there to be direct response to those who don't feel the need to trash the UK.
Now it's the 'discuss between ourselves-show how intelligent we are-prove it with even more links' model!
It is now blatant to me that this is being done to justify remaining in one's country of choice, because returning to 'such a place' would be a retrograde step. It becomes an essential tool to prove one's point with copious links. It becomes obsession. The point has to be 'won'.
Sad really.
Kind of like water; it finds its own level; these are exactly the kind of people the UK does not need!
It is equally stupid in my view to go with the 'bed of roses' thing, but I've yet to see a post that has done that. I have some niggling worries about it, that is realistic; but I'm not so damn stupid as to ignore the millions that are happy living in the UK (or are we now going to get to the absurd level that in 'actual fact' many millions are profoundly unhappy but they just don't talk about it???)
I appreciate that Minogue/Humphries/Greer et al, are 'wealthy so it's OK for them',-but are they happy living in the UK? Would they be happier in Australia?
After all, they do have the mullah to hope on a plane in comfort class to go anywhere for work.
Why are they choosing to live in the UK?
Unthinkable that they might actually prefer it, is it?
It is not a personal attack if I make a general comment:
Why can't you get it into your thick skulls that so very many British are happy living there?
If that were not the case, the meltdown of disaffection would be an utter tidal wave that would dominate global media.
It doesn't. Why is that, do you think?
(I know it's a struggle, but work it out!).
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New posts:
Do you remember what this thread is all about?
I live in an impoverished area in the third world where the school kids who's parents really have absolutely nothing and nothing to fall back on either in infirmity and old age still merrily sing their way to school in the morning giggling and laughing amongst themselves. Are they happy? Yes!
If the average domestic (non-leaver) Brit found themselves in the same predicament are they likely to be able to even act that happy? Much of our mood is coloured by what we see around us and if we are all in the same boat then there is typically less to grumble about as would also be the case if we resided in an area where we basically fitted-in in the socio economic structure of things and were not stirred up by economic disparities highlighted in the media - ignorance is indeed bliss??
We would also be pretty happy if we had more money than we can spend and this seems to be the case in particular for many retirees in the UK, particularly those with final salary pensions - which are now being rapidly phased out - coupled with no mortgage.
As expats we usually have a choice so when looking inwards at the UK we are probably far more critical and able to weigh up the pros and the cons relative to where we are now and where else we can freely move to. This does seem to make the whole process that much harder, especially when there are so many facets to consider, particularly as a job-seeker.
Last edited by Pistolpete2; Aug 10th 2013 at 8:51 am. Reason: especially when there are so many facets to consider, particularly as a job-seeker.
Aug 10th 2013, 8:51 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Emporer, I am amazed by the number of 'famous' people that choose to live permanently or temporarily in the UK, the list is long and distinguished. Whatever could they find to like? It couldnt be the beautiful countryside or the friendly people or the wonderful villages and pubs. I just cant see what the attractionis to be honest 
As for the criticism I especially like those who will if really pushed admit to problems but always add 'but its worse in the UK'
As for the criticism I especially like those who will if really pushed admit to problems but always add 'but its worse in the UK'
Aug 10th 2013, 9:45 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Emporer, I am amazed by the number of 'famous' people that choose to live permanently or temporarily in the UK, the list is long and distinguished. Whatever could they find to like? It couldnt be the beautiful countryside or the friendly people or the wonderful villages and pubs. I just cant see what the attractionis to be honest
As for the criticism I especially like those who will if really pushed admit to problems but always add 'but its worse in the UK'
As for the criticism I especially like those who will if really pushed admit to problems but always add 'but its worse in the UK'
One of the biggest drawbacks for many on here is the sheer - high - cost of living in the UK.
JK Rowling's husband is a GP in Edinburgh. Should he have jacked it in to live off her capital overseas? True love, ambition and personal pride!
Paul McCartney is in the acute minority as the bulk of showbizz lives elsewhere if only to save whatever taxes they possibly can and maybe to also be where the 'action' is such as in LA.
Mr Tetrapak (Rausing) lives in Wadhurst Sussex as a non-dom (claiming Sweden as his domicile) for tax reasons. The UK functions nicely as a tax haven for the likes of him. Can WE look at the UK in the same light?
Let's at least weigh the UK as it appears for the average potential returnee BE punter and not for somebody for whom the UK just happens to offer a particular extraneous attraction, for all we know.
We might as well wax lyrical about the merits of Marbella or Monte Carlo too - oh you don't speak fluent Spanish or have a spare million or five, well!!
Even Premiership footballers and BBC top-pay personalities have tax avoidance vehicles to allow them to have their cake and eat it so that they don't have to commute from Amsterdam or wherever, which many probably would in some fashion if they didn't have them.
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Aug 10th 2013, 10:09 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
The link I posted was just information on a global treaty that has had an negative impact on north American and European countries. In no way was this a reflection solely on the UK. But I know that the economies of Canada and the US have been subjected to large amounts of offshoring. And from what friends in the UK tell me this is also happening there.
Surely the subtlety of this particular thread lies in the fact that those Brits living abroad have already made a huge - at the time - justifiable step in leaving the country and are now considering a return in some fashion having for the most part established themselves adequately elsewhere. They are on the outside looking in.
I live in an impoverished area in the third world where the school kids who's parents really have absolutely nothing and nothing to fall back on either in infirmity and old age still merrily sing their way to school in the morning giggling and laughing amongst themselves. Are they happy? Yes!
If the average domestic (non-leaver) Brit found themselves in the same predicament are they likely to be able to even act that happy? Much of our mood is coloured by what we see around us and if we are all in the same boat then there is typically less to grumble about as would also be the case if we resided in an area where we basically fitted-in in the socio economic structure of things and were not stirred up by economic disparities highlighted in the media - ignorance is indeed bliss??
We would also be pretty happy if we had more money than we can spend and this seems to be the case in particular for many retirees in the UK, particularly those with final salary pensions - which are now being rapidly phased out - coupled with no mortgage.
As expats we usually have a choice so when looking inwards at the UK we are probably far more critical and able to weigh up the pros and the cons relative to where we are now and where else we can freely move to. This does seem to make the whole process that much harder, especially when there are so many facets to consider, particularly as a job-seeker.
I live in an impoverished area in the third world where the school kids who's parents really have absolutely nothing and nothing to fall back on either in infirmity and old age still merrily sing their way to school in the morning giggling and laughing amongst themselves. Are they happy? Yes!
If the average domestic (non-leaver) Brit found themselves in the same predicament are they likely to be able to even act that happy? Much of our mood is coloured by what we see around us and if we are all in the same boat then there is typically less to grumble about as would also be the case if we resided in an area where we basically fitted-in in the socio economic structure of things and were not stirred up by economic disparities highlighted in the media - ignorance is indeed bliss??
We would also be pretty happy if we had more money than we can spend and this seems to be the case in particular for many retirees in the UK, particularly those with final salary pensions - which are now being rapidly phased out - coupled with no mortgage.
As expats we usually have a choice so when looking inwards at the UK we are probably far more critical and able to weigh up the pros and the cons relative to where we are now and where else we can freely move to. This does seem to make the whole process that much harder, especially when there are so many facets to consider, particularly as a job-seeker.
I thank both of you sincerely for not responding in the manner in which I did! For which I make no apology!
You see, for those who have countered the appalling negativity that seems to go hand in hand whenever the UK is discussed, we have now gone 29 pages! It is getting a teeny tadsy grating.
Stoopid I ain't, it's a free right post; to express an opinion etc. I know that, and I would be somewhat of a hypocrite to want to shut it down.
The UK is surely not so much a Utopia (that's familiar-I think I wrote that a few pages back),--it is seen as a place where some live happily, some live contentedly, some are short of cash but just plain prefer to be in the UK, others want to leave, some are profoundly unhappy.
NO ONE, but no one has suggested otherwise, but the latter is being bandied about incessantly, and the former ignored, because the focus is on the 'mantra' that the UK is a cesspit (said that before too).
We (I think more than just me) had started to wonder not just at this need to disparage, but what was the motive behind it.
I have not a shred of doubt that for a number of the naysayers-and not just on this thread-it is to endorse their decision that where they are is preferable-in other words they are right.
There is another very simple thing, and a few of us have started to joke about it:
The OP asked-"Is the situation in the UK really that bad?". I think-think that they might just have formed an opinion based on posts-a number of pages back. The person has not posted since 20th July!
My point is; why is there such a compelling need to debate something where individual pov's have been abundantly clear, sometime back.
Because the UK, and the desire of a many to return, HAS to be criticised, for whatever the motive. Do you believe all those returnees are eejits?
pp: Gotta hand it to you! Intelligent posts, but...(and I have been accused of this); don't you think you are over analysing?
Cut the OP some slack, the poor sod asked a simple question and ends up with a forensic dissection of the UK and how it stands against every country on Earth?!
Your example: so? So what was the point of it? A close friend of mine has just returned from volunteer work in a very impoverished country. She referred to the joy these children had kicking a tied bunch of rags around as a football. When she got back, her niece did nothing but whine about not having a pair of Nikes!
I understood her point entirely. I just don't see it as having anything to do with the UK being worse, is all.
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The guy made a simple observation! You have to analyse and knock it down!
Fair go-simple is becoming rather a welcome oasis on this thread!
.........and yes; in general C and I are in agreement, but the 'got your back' thing is for Kindy. I agree with the post-no surprise there.
Face it pp: there are masses of UK 'personalities' who live in the UK, along with others previously mentioned.
BUT: you had to show who does this and why; who lives there and why!!
Try not to choke on it, there are actors/celebrities/countless 'well known' people who live happily in the UK.
TRY..try to accept that.
Aug 10th 2013, 10:51 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Perhaps we need to change the title of the thread.
Is the situation in the UK really that bad and please don’t provide me with links where I have to use critical thinking or self determination as to whether they will be useful or not. No factual information please, gossip, hearsay and tittle tattle will suffice.
So with that in mind……….
No it’s not that bad. Most places are just like Greendale, you know, the village where Postman Pat lives and where Mrs Goggins has everything you could ever need right there in her little store. The most serious crime is a bit of apple scrumping by the Just William type children living at #56, but that’s more impish devilment than malicious. Even so PC Selby is on top of it and will quickly nip any wrong doing in the bud with a stern, “ Hello, hello hello. What’s going on here then?” You’ll like PC Selby, he’s no Jack Reagan, he’s not even a Dixon of Dock Green, no, he’s more of a Constable Constable, you know, from the carry on films. The only time I’ve seen him angry, well not really angry, just a tad vexed, was when he lost his bicycle clips and his trousers got caught in the chain. Oh how we laughed. A bit naughty of us really.
No need to worry about dog poo either. All the dogs are fluffy and battery operated. The only time we’ve had a problem was when one over charged puppy chased the Duracell bunny across Granny Drydens allotment.
Just outside the village the village you’ll see sheep frolocking in the fields. NO WAIT. They have sheep in Australia don’t they? Scrub that last bit. Don’t want to put you off saying Australia has something Greendale has. Heaven forbid.
So there you have it, but don’t just take it from me, have a listen to that great poet laureate and philosopher of modern time Frank Gallagher…..
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Disclaimer: I believe Postman Pat, despite his celebrity, status still lives in the UK and in no way am I infering that he is a tax exile in LA.
Have a nice day and remember. “Musn’t grumble.”
Is the situation in the UK really that bad and please don’t provide me with links where I have to use critical thinking or self determination as to whether they will be useful or not. No factual information please, gossip, hearsay and tittle tattle will suffice.
So with that in mind……….
No it’s not that bad. Most places are just like Greendale, you know, the village where Postman Pat lives and where Mrs Goggins has everything you could ever need right there in her little store. The most serious crime is a bit of apple scrumping by the Just William type children living at #56, but that’s more impish devilment than malicious. Even so PC Selby is on top of it and will quickly nip any wrong doing in the bud with a stern, “ Hello, hello hello. What’s going on here then?” You’ll like PC Selby, he’s no Jack Reagan, he’s not even a Dixon of Dock Green, no, he’s more of a Constable Constable, you know, from the carry on films. The only time I’ve seen him angry, well not really angry, just a tad vexed, was when he lost his bicycle clips and his trousers got caught in the chain. Oh how we laughed. A bit naughty of us really.
No need to worry about dog poo either. All the dogs are fluffy and battery operated. The only time we’ve had a problem was when one over charged puppy chased the Duracell bunny across Granny Drydens allotment.
Just outside the village the village you’ll see sheep frolocking in the fields. NO WAIT. They have sheep in Australia don’t they? Scrub that last bit. Don’t want to put you off saying Australia has something Greendale has. Heaven forbid.
So there you have it, but don’t just take it from me, have a listen to that great poet laureate and philosopher of modern time Frank Gallagher…..
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Disclaimer: I believe Postman Pat, despite his celebrity, status still lives in the UK and in no way am I infering that he is a tax exile in LA.
Have a nice day and remember. “Musn’t grumble.”
Last edited by Bud the Wiser; Aug 10th 2013 at 10:58 am. Reason: typo
Aug 10th 2013, 10:55 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Perhaps we need to change the title of the thread.
Is the situation in the UK really that bad and please don’t provide me with links where I have to use critical thinking or self determination as to whether they will be useful or not. No factual information please, gossip, hearsay and tittle tattle will suffice.
So with that in mind……….
No it’s not that bad. Most places are just like Greendale, you know, the village where Postman Pat lives and where Mrs Goggins has everything you could ever need right there in her little store. The most serious crime is a bit of apple scrumping by the Just William type children living at #56, but that’s more impish devilment than malicious. Even so PC Selby is on top of it and will quickly nip any wrong doing in the bud with a stern, “ Hello, hello hello. What’s going on here then?” You’ll like PC Selby, he’s no Jack Reagan, he’s not even a Dixon of Dock Green, no, he’s more of a Constable Constable, you know, from the carry on films. The only time I’ve seen him angry, well not really angry, just a tad vexed, was when he lost his bicycle clips and his trousers got caught in the chain. Oh how we laughed. A bit naughty of us really.
No need to worry about dog poo either. All the dogs are fluffy and battery operated. The only time we’ve had a problem was when one over charged puppy chased the Duracell bunny across Granny Drydens allotment.
Just outside the village the village you’ll see sheep frolocking in the fields. NO WAIT. They have sheep in Australia don’t they? Scrub that last bit. Don’t want to put you off saying Australia has something Greendale has. Heaven forbid.
So there you have it, but don’t just take it from me, have a listen to that great poet laureate and philosopher of modern time Frank Gallagher…..
>
>
>
>
Disclaimer: I believe Postman Pat, despite his celebrity, status still lives in the UK and in no way would am I infering that he is a tax exile in LA.
Have a nice day and remember. “Musn’t grumble.”
Is the situation in the UK really that bad and please don’t provide me with links where I have to use critical thinking or self determination as to whether they will be useful or not. No factual information please, gossip, hearsay and tittle tattle will suffice.
So with that in mind……….
No it’s not that bad. Most places are just like Greendale, you know, the village where Postman Pat lives and where Mrs Goggins has everything you could ever need right there in her little store. The most serious crime is a bit of apple scrumping by the Just William type children living at #56, but that’s more impish devilment than malicious. Even so PC Selby is on top of it and will quickly nip any wrong doing in the bud with a stern, “ Hello, hello hello. What’s going on here then?” You’ll like PC Selby, he’s no Jack Reagan, he’s not even a Dixon of Dock Green, no, he’s more of a Constable Constable, you know, from the carry on films. The only time I’ve seen him angry, well not really angry, just a tad vexed, was when he lost his bicycle clips and his trousers got caught in the chain. Oh how we laughed. A bit naughty of us really.
No need to worry about dog poo either. All the dogs are fluffy and battery operated. The only time we’ve had a problem was when one over charged puppy chased the Duracell bunny across Granny Drydens allotment.
Just outside the village the village you’ll see sheep frolocking in the fields. NO WAIT. They have sheep in Australia don’t they? Scrub that last bit. Don’t want to put you off saying Australia has something Greendale has. Heaven forbid.
So there you have it, but don’t just take it from me, have a listen to that great poet laureate and philosopher of modern time Frank Gallagher…..
>
>
>
>
Disclaimer: I believe Postman Pat, despite his celebrity, status still lives in the UK and in no way would am I infering that he is a tax exile in LA.
Have a nice day and remember. “Musn’t grumble.”
Aug 10th 2013, 10:57 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
For those with a high income, UKANIA is really nice. For those at the bottom of the heap, life is grim.
Aug 10th 2013, 11:01 am
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
I thank both of you sincerely for not responding in the manner in which I did! For which I make no apology!
You see, for those who have countered the appalling negativity that seems to go hand in hand whenever the UK is discussed, we have now gone 29 pages! It is getting a teeny tadsy grating.
Stoopid I ain't, it's a free right post; to express an opinion etc. I know that, and I would be somewhat of a hypocrite to want to shut it down.
The UK is surely not so much a Utopia (that's familiar-I think I wrote that a few pages back),--it is seen as a place where some live happily, some live contentedly, some are short of cash but just plain prefer to be in the UK, others want to leave, some are profoundly unhappy.
NO ONE, but no one has suggested otherwise, but the latter is being bandied about incessantly, and the former ignored, because the focus is on the 'mantra' that the UK is a cesspit (said that before too).
We (I think more than just me) had started to wonder not just at this need to disparage, but what was the motive behind it.
I have not a shred of doubt that for a number of the naysayers-and not just on this thread-it is to endorse their decision that where they are is preferable-in other words they are right.
There is another very simple thing, and a few of us have started to joke about it:
The OP asked-"Is the situation in the UK really that bad?". I think-think that they might just have formed an opinion based on posts-a number of pages back. The person has not posted since 20th July!
My point is; why is there such a compelling need to debate something where individual pov's have been abundantly clear, sometime back.
Because the UK, and the desire of a many to return, HAS to be criticised, for whatever the motive. Do you believe all those returnees are eejits?
pp: Gotta hand it to you! Intelligent posts, but...(and I have been accused of this); don't you think you are over analysing?
Cut the OP some slack, the poor sod asked a simple question and ends up with a forensic dissection of the UK and how it stands against every country on Earth?!
Your example: so? So what was the point of it? A close friend of mine has just returned from volunteer work in a very impoverished country. She referred to the joy these children had kicking a tied bunch of rags around as a football. When she got back, her niece did nothing but whine about not having a pair of Nikes!
I understood her point entirely. I just don't see it as having anything to do with the UK being worse, is all.
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The guy made a simple observation! You have to analyse and knock it down!
Fair go-simple is becoming rather a welcome oasis on this thread!
.........and yes; in general C and I are in agreement, but the 'got your back' thing is for Kindy. I agree with the post-no surprise there.
Face it pp: there are masses of UK 'personalities' who live in the UK, along with others previously mentioned.
BUT: you had to show who does this and why; who lives there and why!!
Try not to choke on it, there are actors/celebrities/countless 'well known' people who live happily in the UK.
TRY..try to accept that.
You see, for those who have countered the appalling negativity that seems to go hand in hand whenever the UK is discussed, we have now gone 29 pages! It is getting a teeny tadsy grating.
Stoopid I ain't, it's a free right post; to express an opinion etc. I know that, and I would be somewhat of a hypocrite to want to shut it down.
The UK is surely not so much a Utopia (that's familiar-I think I wrote that a few pages back),--it is seen as a place where some live happily, some live contentedly, some are short of cash but just plain prefer to be in the UK, others want to leave, some are profoundly unhappy.
NO ONE, but no one has suggested otherwise, but the latter is being bandied about incessantly, and the former ignored, because the focus is on the 'mantra' that the UK is a cesspit (said that before too).
We (I think more than just me) had started to wonder not just at this need to disparage, but what was the motive behind it.
I have not a shred of doubt that for a number of the naysayers-and not just on this thread-it is to endorse their decision that where they are is preferable-in other words they are right.
There is another very simple thing, and a few of us have started to joke about it:
The OP asked-"Is the situation in the UK really that bad?". I think-think that they might just have formed an opinion based on posts-a number of pages back. The person has not posted since 20th July!
My point is; why is there such a compelling need to debate something where individual pov's have been abundantly clear, sometime back.
Because the UK, and the desire of a many to return, HAS to be criticised, for whatever the motive. Do you believe all those returnees are eejits?
pp: Gotta hand it to you! Intelligent posts, but...(and I have been accused of this); don't you think you are over analysing?
Cut the OP some slack, the poor sod asked a simple question and ends up with a forensic dissection of the UK and how it stands against every country on Earth?!
Your example: so? So what was the point of it? A close friend of mine has just returned from volunteer work in a very impoverished country. She referred to the joy these children had kicking a tied bunch of rags around as a football. When she got back, her niece did nothing but whine about not having a pair of Nikes!
I understood her point entirely. I just don't see it as having anything to do with the UK being worse, is all.
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The guy made a simple observation! You have to analyse and knock it down!
Fair go-simple is becoming rather a welcome oasis on this thread!
.........and yes; in general C and I are in agreement, but the 'got your back' thing is for Kindy. I agree with the post-no surprise there.
Face it pp: there are masses of UK 'personalities' who live in the UK, along with others previously mentioned.
BUT: you had to show who does this and why; who lives there and why!!
Try not to choke on it, there are actors/celebrities/countless 'well known' people who live happily in the UK.
TRY..try to accept that.
I'm a great analyser.The thrust of my argument is that if you have choices and have shown yourself capable of successfully exercising choice, then things can be very different for you, because you have more things to weigh and compare often ad nauseum. If you are boxed in by circumstances, objectively assessed as either positive or negative, you can still ultimately feel more at ease.
Like NIKE says, if you know of nothing else, you simply have to get on and JUST DO IT or live it.