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Old Aug 12th 2009, 7:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Ash UK/US
True but there would be more if people had to worry about medical debt... which by the way is the biggest cause of bankrupsy [sp?] in the US.
Well bankruptcy can happen for a number of reasons, but probably more about medical issues these days then ever. I've known one person to do it, but they didn't own a house, and didn't lose anything but the medical debt. Still its a shame that anyone should have to.
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Yes I know about paying the hotel bit.....just never heard of paying mortgages. But it would still only be a limited time, surely? Certainly make more sense to put someone in a council house/flat.

I don't get that? Why would it make more sense to pay to move someone out of their own home, into a council house? They would still be paying the bills for the council house and probably a lot more than mortgage interest payments
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Yes I know about paying the hotel bit.....just never heard of paying mortgages. But it would still only be a limited time, surely? Certainly make more sense to put someone in a council house/flat.
or more sense to pay what you would be paying in rent to pay on a mortage!
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
Why are you trying to be so smart about this? It's pretty clear you won't go bankrupt to pay medical bills in the UK.
I'm sorry, but my post was directed at Giantaxe who always wants to make a mountain out of molehill. As usual.
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Wow, that's great. But I'd be interested to see how that can stay afloat. Seriously, how can the government afford to pay an ill person's mortgage for months on end? How does that work? Surely it can't go on for years on end?
So you don't know the facts at all. As has been mentioned several times on the thread, mortgage interest will be paid, I believe there is a qualifying period though.
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Originally Posted by AmerLisa
but probably more about medical issues these days then ever.
There is no probably about it.
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Originally Posted by AmerLisa
Well bankruptcy can happen for a number of reasons, but probably more about medical issues these days then ever. I've known one person to do it, but they didn't own a house, and didn't lose anything but the medical debt. Still its a shame that anyone should have to.

I heard on TV recently, that there are new bankrupcy laws that allow you to keep your house/cars etc...not sure how accurate that is
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Wow, that's great. But I'd be interested to see how that can stay afloat. Seriously, how can the government afford to pay an ill person's mortgage for months on end? How does that work? Surely it can't go on for years on end?

Yes it does. My father was made redundant in early 1983...he was 53 and couldn't find another job. He even applied for jobs as a hospital porter...just something to make him feel useful again. Within a year he suffered a massive heart attack...followed by several smaller ones.

At the time my parents lived in a council house...so the SS paid their rent until around 1987. They lived in a 3 bedroomed house with a large garden...it was too much for them to handle and they lived about 1 1/2 to 2 hrs away from where my sister and I lived. So we got the money together for a large down payment on a bungalow...near where my sister lives. The SS picked up the tab for the mortgage...it was less than they were paying for rent on the council house anyway.

My dad died a few months ago but my mum is still living there. So that's what....22 years? When the property is sold the money will be paid back to the SS.

This is all on top of the benefits mum has received this year as I stated earlier in this thread. My father worked until he was 53 and my mother worked until she was around 60...so over their lifetime they had paid their dues in taxes and NI contributions. It wasn't my father's fault he was made redundant, received no pay out...then became ill and couldn't work again.

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Originally Posted by Englishtart
I don't get that? Why would it make more sense to pay to move someone out of their own home, into a council house? They would still be paying the bills for the council house and probably a lot more than mortgage interest payments
If someone had sickness that wasn't going to get better and they were going to be sick for a very long time, does it make more sense for the government to pay a mortgage (interest as you say) or to eventually house that person in a council house/flat that's already owned by the government?
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So you don't know the facts at all. As has been mentioned several times on the thread, mortgage interest will be paid, I believe there is a qualifying period though.

Who said that I knew about the mortgage being paid? Where did I say that?
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There is no probably about it.
Ok, you win Ash....
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Originally Posted by AmerLisa
If someone had sickness that wasn't going to get better and they were going to be sick for a very long time, does it make more sense for the government to pay a mortgage (interest as you say) or to eventually house that person in a council house/flat that's already owned by the government?
It would probably be the cheaper of the two, but not anything to do with home owned or Gov't owned...IMO the UK Gov't takes much better care of the elderly/sick residents than the US does.
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Originally Posted by AmerLisa
Who said that I knew about the mortgage being paid? Where did I say that?
Your initial statement was that you betted on someone losing their house in Thydney's situation in the UK. Clearly you did not, however, know about the safeguards against this.
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Originally Posted by AmerLisa
If someone had sickness that wasn't going to get better and they were going to be sick for a very long time, does it make more sense for the government to pay a mortgage (interest as you say) or to eventually house that person in a council house/flat that's already owned by the government?
Not sure about the rest of the country but where I lived the council were trying to get rid of the houses they owned either by selling them to the tenants or moving to housing associations. So if they are paying out a £120 per week what difference does it make if it rent or mortage payments?
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My dad died a few months ago but my mum is still living there. So that's what....22 years? When the property is sold the money will be paid back to the SS.
Ah I see. Well that makes sense. Something like my grandmother's property tax not being paid until after her house is sold. Also things are done on her house and will likewise be repaid after the house is sold. Certainly the government will recoup some of the money being put out.
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