Jules Europe

Do these eastern european tradesmen do a better job? You are also saying that besides sending a part of their wage back, that they are also claiming from the social and sending this back as well?

macadian

I think he is referring to those who work 'off the books'...pay no tax etc.....and draw benefits....

Alphawolf

I didn't say they were sending the social money back, just living off it, thats some of the ones I know of!

Alphawolf

Exactly right Macadian, thankyou!

Fleaflyfloflum

Geeez... here we go again .. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


So... where are you intending to move to out of interest?

Sorry... just saw your avatar. Now, tellme, just what do you think the Canadians are going to think of you.. being an immigrant and all, in this financial climate when you arrive?? hmmm??

Jules Europe

Ok follow you

Alphawolf

I wouldn't know, I'm not there! And if/when I do go there it will only be because I have been offered a job that is in demand that can't be filled by a Canadian. Thats not exactly the case here, theres 1000's of unemployed Brits here skilled and unskilled yet our government keeps allowing immigrants to come in when there isn't a labour shortage, thats my whole point, if there was a labour shortage then so be it. Why do you think there was a strike last month at a major company in Britain, I forget which one but it made all the headlines because the company had hired Italian workers instead of British.

Fleaflyfloflum

Yes, i know all about that, but rest assured, if you think you are going to turn up in Canada, who, BTW, are also suffering unemployments issues and massive job cuts due to the credit crunch, just as nearly all nations are, then believe me, locals wont take too kindly to you either, but hey, what do i know, i've only been an expat 10yrs!

Jules Europe

But they are EU citizens and if they are cheaper then its good business for the company involved but admittedly not so good though for the local workers, as european integration advances these scenarios will become even more common.

I imagine competition will be less for you in Canada as I know it has labour shortages in certain tradesman skills, so your working future may well be in Canada.

Alphawolf

If that was your experience in Australia then I am sorry to hear that. I don't know what to expect to be honest but from everything I am being told by Canadian's and ex-pats over there then it shouldn't be an issue although there will always be a minority I suppose. At the end of the day I'm going for a better life hopefully, prob why you went to OZ, I've had 36 years here and would like to try living somewhere else before I am too old and if they have a shortage in my profession as they do then whats the harm in that??

Alphawolf

I agree with you on the good business front but it doesn't help our unemployment problem here, I would think our government would do something about it but they don't and like you say its only going to get worse.

Fleaflyfloflum

Absolutely no harm in it at all and i wish you good luck.

Definitely has not been an issue for us in Oz. Hubby is a nurse so will get work no matter where he goes, and no, we didnt emigrate for a better life, I married a NZer whose father was sick so we had to come down here, but its a long story and i wont bore you with it.

But dont you think these Europeans are doing exactly the same thing you are? They are looking to imrpove their life just as you are.

macadian

Having said that, many in the UK ('home grown workers' for want of better terminology) no doubt do the same...i.e work on the side & draw benefit....

sans

So tiring

I really hope you all have such wonderful lives when you leave the UK .......

Alphawolf

Yes they do, no augument there!!!