Irish Passport
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Re: Irish Passport
Two years two months now and not a dickie bird from the Register of Foreign Births.
Rang their call centre the other day but they can only provide general information and said not to worry as they are only just getting round to looking at applications from about the time I applied!
Rang their call centre the other day but they can only provide general information and said not to worry as they are only just getting round to looking at applications from about the time I applied!
You might want to check out this forum:
https://www.immigrationboards.com/ir...7641-4775.html
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Re: Irish Passport
The good news is, they are currently working on January 2020 applications so FBR certificates are slowly coming through now.
You might want to check out this forum:
https://www.immigrationboards.com/ir...7641-4775.html
You might want to check out this forum:
https://www.immigrationboards.com/ir...7641-4775.html
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Re: Irish Passport
I have been told that as I have an Irish grandfather I am eligible for an Irish Passport. Like many others I am trying to hedge my future as Brexit looms, and I want to continue to be recognised as European (even though I live in Hong Kong, for now...).
Anyway, I contacted my sister who is the "gate keeper" of family documents and on asking for a copy of my mother's birth certificate - and on giving the reasons why, she informed me that my grandfather's name does not appear on my mother's birth certificate, and that no one in the family know why this is.
My mother was the eldest of five children, and when you compare them altogether it's abundantly clear to see that they all share the same family features. My only guess on why my grandfather's name does not appear on my Mum's birth certificate is that my Mum was born out of wedlock, and so there is a stigma there, given that this was in about 1922, when times were different.
Is there any other way that I can prove that my grandfather was who he says he was and that I can apply for an Irish passport?
Thanks in advance of any replies,
Richard
Anyway, I contacted my sister who is the "gate keeper" of family documents and on asking for a copy of my mother's birth certificate - and on giving the reasons why, she informed me that my grandfather's name does not appear on my mother's birth certificate, and that no one in the family know why this is.
My mother was the eldest of five children, and when you compare them altogether it's abundantly clear to see that they all share the same family features. My only guess on why my grandfather's name does not appear on my Mum's birth certificate is that my Mum was born out of wedlock, and so there is a stigma there, given that this was in about 1922, when times were different.
Is there any other way that I can prove that my grandfather was who he says he was and that I can apply for an Irish passport?
Thanks in advance of any replies,
Richard
If your mums father was not registered on her birth certificate, then there is no way of proving this, even if he was named on your aunts birth certificate that wouldnt matter sadly, because the connection must corrilate with the applicants birthline descent and not someone elses.
Even these days its fairly common that fathers names are not included on childrens birth certificates and its not a legal requirement, this is especially the case when the parents are unmarried or the child is concieved through sperm donation.
Last edited by nmcilveen94; Jun 18th 2022 at 4:31 pm.
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Re: Irish Passport
Unfortunatly richard I think your pretty much a dead end with this one, for Irish Citizenship to be claimed on basis of a grandparent, proof linking the applicant to the irish grandparent in question must be provided in order to register.
If your mums father was not registered on her birth certificate, then there is no way of proving this, even if he was named on your aunts birth certificate that wouldnt matter sadly, because the connection must corrilate with the applicants birthline descent and not someone elses.
Even these days its fairly common that fathers names are not included on childrens birth certificates and its not a legal requirement, this is especially the case when the parents are unmarried or the child is concieved through sperm donation.
If your mums father was not registered on her birth certificate, then there is no way of proving this, even if he was named on your aunts birth certificate that wouldnt matter sadly, because the connection must corrilate with the applicants birthline descent and not someone elses.
Even these days its fairly common that fathers names are not included on childrens birth certificates and its not a legal requirement, this is especially the case when the parents are unmarried or the child is concieved through sperm donation.
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Re: Irish Passport
Its not as simple as just getting a name added on there without any other evidence such as DNA, if that where the case then it would be far too easy to malnipulate and half the country would have already done it in an attempt to claim back EU citizen rights.
Last edited by nmcilveen94; Jun 18th 2022 at 6:29 pm.
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Re: Irish Passport
That is not going to help the OP though, its the mothers father who was born in Ireland not his. The mother would need to go to court and have her fathers name added to the birth certificate in order for the OP to claim irish citizenship via the foreign births registry, but a DNA test would be required in order to do so and as the mother and grandfather are likely now deceased, that would be impossible.
Its not as simple as just getting a name added on there without any other evidence such as DNA, if that where the case then it would be far too easy to malnipulate and half the country would have already done it in an attempt to claim back EU citizen rights.
Its not as simple as just getting a name added on there without any other evidence such as DNA, if that where the case then it would be far too easy to malnipulate and half the country would have already done it in an attempt to claim back EU citizen rights.
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Re: Irish Passport
sportpix, please don't give up on this yet!
I would start by ordering a copy of your grandfather's birth certificate in Ireland, your grandparents' marriage certificate and then your mother's birth certificate in the UK and check them over yourself.
If your grandfather is not named on your mother's birth certificate, find a Irish lawyer/immigration specialist who can advise you. There might just be a way around it.
This is too important and life changing to give up on too easily and if it doesn't work out, at least you will have given it your best shot.
Why not join the forum I mentioned to Kevin above and run it past the other members? They are a really helpful, friendly bunch.
I would start by ordering a copy of your grandfather's birth certificate in Ireland, your grandparents' marriage certificate and then your mother's birth certificate in the UK and check them over yourself.
If your grandfather is not named on your mother's birth certificate, find a Irish lawyer/immigration specialist who can advise you. There might just be a way around it.
This is too important and life changing to give up on too easily and if it doesn't work out, at least you will have given it your best shot.
Why not join the forum I mentioned to Kevin above and run it past the other members? They are a really helpful, friendly bunch.
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Re: Irish Passport
sportpix, please don't give up on this yet!
I would start by ordering a copy of your grandfather's birth certificate in Ireland, your grandparents' marriage certificate and then your mother's birth certificate in the UK and check them over yourself.
If your grandfather is not named on your mother's birth certificate, find a Irish lawyer/immigration specialist who can advise you. There might just be a way around it.
This is too important and life changing to give up on too easily and if it doesn't work out, at least you will have given it your best shot.
Why not join the forum I mentioned to Kevin above and run it past the other members? They are a really helpful, friendly bunch.
I would start by ordering a copy of your grandfather's birth certificate in Ireland, your grandparents' marriage certificate and then your mother's birth certificate in the UK and check them over yourself.
If your grandfather is not named on your mother's birth certificate, find a Irish lawyer/immigration specialist who can advise you. There might just be a way around it.
This is too important and life changing to give up on too easily and if it doesn't work out, at least you will have given it your best shot.
Why not join the forum I mentioned to Kevin above and run it past the other members? They are a really helpful, friendly bunch.
Irish lawyers also dont have anything to do with UK civil records.
Last edited by nmcilveen94; Jun 28th 2022 at 1:11 am.
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Re: Irish Passport
Thank you for the update. It looks like, for a first time passport, not much has changed. I may try to re-apply after the Schools re-open following the holidays. They are very quick to take my money.