Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Jul 26th 2005, 6:34 pm
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Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
would be a nightmare.
countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
would be a nightmare.
Jul 26th 2005, 10:16 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
>countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
>Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
>would be a nightmare.
Not if you're Turkish.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
>countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
>Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
>would be a nightmare.
Not if you're Turkish.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
Jul 26th 2005, 10:22 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Alan S wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
> >countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
> >
> >Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
> >would be a nightmare.
> Not if you're Turkish.
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
or if you like kebabs
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
> >countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
> >
> >Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
> >would be a nightmare.
> Not if you're Turkish.
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
or if you like kebabs
Jul 26th 2005, 10:30 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
>>countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
>>Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
>>would be a nightmare.
>Not if you're Turkish.
Are you suggesting that "me first" is not the only way to deal with
the world?
I think that I need to lie down.
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>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
>>countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
>>Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
>>would be a nightmare.
>Not if you're Turkish.
Are you suggesting that "me first" is not the only way to deal with
the world?
I think that I need to lie down.
--
PB
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Jul 26th 2005, 10:39 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:16:50 +1000, Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
>>countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
>>Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
>>would be a nightmare.
>Not if you're Turkish.
and not if they have been here for 30 years
--
Martin
>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
>>countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
>>Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
>>would be a nightmare.
>Not if you're Turkish.
and not if they have been here for 30 years
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Martin
Jul 26th 2005, 10:52 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
[email protected] ha escrito:
> Alan S wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
> > >countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
> > >
> > >Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
> > >would be a nightmare.
> >
> > Not if you're Turkish.
> >
> > Cheers, Alan, Australia
> or if you like kebabs
There are probably more kebabs in Germany than in Turkey now.
J.
> Alan S wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
> > >countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
> > >
> > >Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
> > >would be a nightmare.
> >
> > Not if you're Turkish.
> >
> > Cheers, Alan, Australia
> or if you like kebabs
There are probably more kebabs in Germany than in Turkey now.
J.
Jul 26th 2005, 11:16 pm
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
On 27 Jul 2005 03:22:57 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>Alan S wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
>> >countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
>> >
>> >Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
>> >would be a nightmare.
>> Not if you're Turkish.
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, Australia
>or if you like kebabs
Get their before the Belgian bomb disposal people blow them up.
At the moment they are busy blowing up Dutch sex dolls.
--
Martin
>Alan S wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
>> >countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
>> >
>> >Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
>> >would be a nightmare.
>> Not if you're Turkish.
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, Australia
>or if you like kebabs
Get their before the Belgian bomb disposal people blow them up.
At the moment they are busy blowing up Dutch sex dolls.
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Martin
Jul 27th 2005, 12:18 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
AABNE <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
> countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
Actually, your trolling aside, the new accession countries to the EU
haven't been given full labour yet. The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
lots of highly skilled workers. We could do with a few more dentists
though!
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
> countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
Actually, your trolling aside, the new accession countries to the EU
haven't been given full labour yet. The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
lots of highly skilled workers. We could do with a few more dentists
though!
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jul 27th 2005, 12:29 am
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Jordi wrote:
> [email protected] ha escrito:
> > Alan S wrote:
> > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
> > > >countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
> > > >
> > > >Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
> > > >would be a nightmare.
> > >
> > > Not if you're Turkish.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Alan, Australia
> >
> > or if you like kebabs
> There are probably more kebabs in Germany than in Turkey now.
> J.
but in the new europe should not we all have access to such kebabs !
> [email protected] ha escrito:
> > Alan S wrote:
> > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:34:30 +1000, AABNE
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
> > > >countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
> > > >
> > > >Imagine if Turkey was accepted. Think of the flood of migrants... it
> > > >would be a nightmare.
> > >
> > > Not if you're Turkish.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Alan, Australia
> >
> > or if you like kebabs
> There are probably more kebabs in Germany than in Turkey now.
> J.
but in the new europe should not we all have access to such kebabs !
Jul 27th 2005, 12:33 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco
>The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
>country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
>know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
>there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
>lots of highly skilled workers
depends how you define what UK means. If UK business, then a
gain. For UK workers, no benefit in competing with people willing
to do your job for less. Or competing for housing or health
resources
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Mike Reid
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prestwich tesco
>The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
>country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
>know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
>there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
>lots of highly skilled workers
depends how you define what UK means. If UK business, then a
gain. For UK workers, no benefit in competing with people willing
to do your job for less. Or competing for housing or health
resources
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
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Jul 27th 2005, 12:36 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
The Reids wrote:
> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco
> >The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
> >country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
> >know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
> >there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
> >lots of highly skilled workers
> depends how you define what UK means. If UK business, then a
> gain. For UK workers, no benefit in competing with people willing
> to do your job for less. Or competing for housing or health
> resources
> --
> Mike Reid
as long as they pay tax/ni whats the difference ?
> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco
> >The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
> >country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
> >know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
> >there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
> >lots of highly skilled workers
> depends how you define what UK means. If UK business, then a
> gain. For UK workers, no benefit in competing with people willing
> to do your job for less. Or competing for housing or health
> resources
> --
> Mike Reid
as long as they pay tax/ni whats the difference ?
Jul 27th 2005, 12:38 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
o' th' barn and prestwich tesco) wrote:
>AABNE <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
>> countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
>Actually, your trolling aside, the new accession countries to the EU
>haven't been given full labour yet. The UK (Ireland too?)
Yes, Ireland too. The country seems to be full of Latvians and
Lithuanians. Smaller numbers from Poland and Lithuania, negligible
numbers from the others.
>is the only
>country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
>know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
>there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
>lots of highly skilled workers. We could do with a few more dentists
>though!
We have lots of unskilled and low-skilled workers from the accession
states; there is plenty of work for them here in factories, market
gardening, road construction, and in catering. We need dentists, too.
--
PB
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o' th' barn and prestwich tesco) wrote:
>AABNE <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
>> countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
>Actually, your trolling aside, the new accession countries to the EU
>haven't been given full labour yet. The UK (Ireland too?)
Yes, Ireland too. The country seems to be full of Latvians and
Lithuanians. Smaller numbers from Poland and Lithuania, negligible
numbers from the others.
>is the only
>country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
>know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
>there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
>lots of highly skilled workers. We could do with a few more dentists
>though!
We have lots of unskilled and low-skilled workers from the accession
states; there is plenty of work for them here in factories, market
gardening, road construction, and in catering. We need dentists, too.
--
PB
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Jul 27th 2005, 12:38 am
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco
>
> >The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
> >country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
> >know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
> >there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
> >lots of highly skilled workers
>
> depends how you define what UK means. If UK business, then a
> gain. For UK workers, no benefit in competing with people willing
> to do your job for less.
I think the competition is healthy. Are wages getting lower as a result?
In many cases they are filling jobs in areas where it's hard to get
employees. Without such labour in London (also including foreign student
labour) the economy would be a mess.
> Or competing for housing or health
> resources
Well, there is that- but they're paying taxes like anyone else. Besides,
most of the new immigrants are usually young- at least on the health
resources, it's probably less of a drain.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco
>
> >The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
> >country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
> >know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
> >there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
> >lots of highly skilled workers
>
> depends how you define what UK means. If UK business, then a
> gain. For UK workers, no benefit in competing with people willing
> to do your job for less.
I think the competition is healthy. Are wages getting lower as a result?
In many cases they are filling jobs in areas where it's hard to get
employees. Without such labour in London (also including foreign student
labour) the economy would be a mess.
> Or competing for housing or health
> resources
Well, there is that- but they're paying taxes like anyone else. Besides,
most of the new immigrants are usually young- at least on the health
resources, it's probably less of a drain.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jul 27th 2005, 12:46 am
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Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
> o' th' barn and prestwich tesco) wrote:
>
> >AABNE <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
> >> countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
> >
> >Actually, your trolling aside, the new accession countries to the EU
> >haven't been given full labour yet. The UK (Ireland too?)
> >
> Yes, Ireland too. The country seems to be full of Latvians and
> Lithuanians. Smaller numbers from Poland and Lithuania,
Did you mean Estonia?
> negligible
> numbers from the others.
At least in Manchester, there seems to be a lot of Poles. There's
obviously networking going on as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if a
lot of the workers come from the same towns.
> >is the only
> >country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
> >know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
> >there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
> >lots of highly skilled workers. We could do with a few more dentists
> >though!
> >
> We have lots of unskilled and low-skilled workers from the accession
> states; there is plenty of work for them here in factories, market
> gardening, road construction, and in catering.
Oh, there are those jobs too. By highly skilled, I didn't mean doctors
and engineers, but they tend to be well educated, have good IT skills
and so on- a lot of them are getting office work.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
> o' th' barn and prestwich tesco) wrote:
>
> >AABNE <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Is it right to have free movement of persons and labor, between
> >> countries of vastly different standards of living and economic status?
> >
> >Actually, your trolling aside, the new accession countries to the EU
> >haven't been given full labour yet. The UK (Ireland too?)
> >
> Yes, Ireland too. The country seems to be full of Latvians and
> Lithuanians. Smaller numbers from Poland and Lithuania,
Did you mean Estonia?
> negligible
> numbers from the others.
At least in Manchester, there seems to be a lot of Poles. There's
obviously networking going on as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if a
lot of the workers come from the same towns.
> >is the only
> >country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
> >know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
> >there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
> >lots of highly skilled workers. We could do with a few more dentists
> >though!
> >
> We have lots of unskilled and low-skilled workers from the accession
> states; there is plenty of work for them here in factories, market
> gardening, road construction, and in catering.
Oh, there are those jobs too. By highly skilled, I didn't mean doctors
and engineers, but they tend to be well educated, have good IT skills
and so on- a lot of them are getting office work.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jul 27th 2005, 12:50 am
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Re: Why are so many rubbish countries being allowed into the EU?
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> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco
>>The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
>>country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
>>know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
>>there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
>>lots of highly skilled workers
> depends how you define what UK means. If UK business, then a
> gain. For UK workers, no benefit in competing with people willing
> to do your job for less. Or competing for housing or health
> resources
That rather depends where you live in the UK
Here in South Cambs the latest unemployment rate was reported
as 0.85 % and the biggest employment problem is finding enough people to
fill the vacancies.
Keith
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> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco
>>The UK (Ireland too?) is the only
>>country so far to give full working rights to them, and while I don't
>>know what effect it's having on the labour situation in those countries,
>>there's no doubt that the UK is benefitting from the influx of labour-
>>lots of highly skilled workers
> depends how you define what UK means. If UK business, then a
> gain. For UK workers, no benefit in competing with people willing
> to do your job for less. Or competing for housing or health
> resources
That rather depends where you live in the UK
Here in South Cambs the latest unemployment rate was reported
as 0.85 % and the biggest employment problem is finding enough people to
fill the vacancies.
Keith
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